motosapiens Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) I thought the idea was maintaining the sight picture through trigger break. I assumed that dry fire practice actually involved trigger reset and break. that's about the easiest part of practical shooting to master. The hard part is getting the gun on target quickly and consistently and not screwing everything else up. Edited December 11, 2014 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbullet Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 reviving this thread a bit. What techniques do you employ to practice reloads. We all know that if you did a dry fire from holster to shoot, you can only activate the trigger once, then if you include in the drill a reload, the hammer is now down. I was wondering if there are other ways to dry fire practice a reload. So do you practice a shot then reload mag, cycling the slide for that second shot? Or does this not matter and you just squeeze the trigger even without the hammer being cocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 What model gun are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alw041 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Apparently I need to start dry firing. Can anyone recommend a good book or instructional? Also, with a glock how do you practice multiple shots without racking the slide every time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Little piece of card stock in the breech between the slide and barrel. It will let you pull the trigger repeatedly without any break or reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickb45 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I just started working through Ben Stoeger's dry for book. I really enjoy it. I try to do half hour to an hour 5 times a week. I keep track of page numbers and par times in a notebook, along with a few notes on how the drills went. I'm new to the sport, my initial classification was a C in Lim10. I went out and did some live fire drills today out of Ben's "Skills and Drills" book and was able to get pretty close to some of the goal times which made me feel really good. I'm really looking forward to working through both of these books and seeing how I do this spring when our monthly matches start back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbullet Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 What model gun are you using? a 2011 style pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) I would just pull on the trigger the whole time with a 1911 / 2011. You can manually cock the hammer if you want to practice a clean break. Edited February 1, 2015 by b1gcountry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickb45 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I have been cocking mine for first break out of the holster, after that just pull the trigger. There was a link earlier in this thread that showed you can tape the hammer down to the grip safety and your trigger will feel closer to the real thing every time you pull it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingmedicine Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I got a lazerlyte dry firing kit for Christmas that makes it rather fun to hide a target across the house and try and repeatedly hit. Drives the dog nuts tho, but I think is helped my trigger control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 be very careful with a laserlyte ... it is teaching you to visualizally score your targets by looking for where the laser hit which is exactly the opposite of what you should be doing, which is to learn to call your shots .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I have been cocking mine for first break out of the holster, after that just pull the trigger. There was a link earlier in this thread that showed you can tape the hammer down to the grip safety and your trigger will feel closer to the real thing every time you pull it. It doesn't really matter if it feels closer to the real thing. I only spend a few minutes each day on trigger control exercises, and for that I cock the hammer each time. For everything else the hammer is only cocked for the first shot, but that's Ok because I'm working on transitions or reloads or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 reviving this thread a bit. What techniques do you employ to practice reloads. We all know that if you did a dry fire from holster to shoot, you can only activate the trigger once, then if you include in the drill a reload, the hammer is now down. I was wondering if there are other ways to dry fire practice a reload. So do you practice a shot then reload mag, cycling the slide for that second shot? Or does this not matter and you just squeeze the trigger even without the hammer being cocked. Yes to the bolded part. It doesn't matter. It doesn't really matter if you even pull the trigger after the reload if you are only working on reloads. Sometimes I just get a sight picture, sometimes I pull the trigger. Pulling the trigger afterwards is probably the *least* important part of the reload practice. Here are some things that I find valuable to pay attention to during reload practice: 1. Keep looking at the sights until you have pulled all the way through the trigger. Don't just get a sight picture and start looking away as you pull the trigger. 2. Keep strong hand motion to a minimum. You shouldn't need to do any shaking or wiggling or reaching to get the magazine to drip, just pull the gun directly to where you want to actually do the reload (for me, in front of and just below my sternum). 3. Move your weak hand like you mean it. Everything is waiting for the weak hand to get the magazine and come back, so make that motion aggressively. 4. Spend some time figuring out what you need to do to grip the magazine the same every time. 5. Practice moving reloads too, not just standing ones. both side to side and moving forwards or backwards. reload while moving only 2 yards between positions. reload while moving 10 yards between positions. 6. Don't wait on your movement to do the reload or grab the mag or anything. Start moving *immediately*, then do the reload. With practice, it will become pretty simultaneous, but the important part is dont hang around a shooting position after you're done shooting. This is not an exhaustive list, just a few of the things I have struggled with and learned over the last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalJacket Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Apparently I need to start dry firing. Can anyone recommend a good book or instructional? Also, with a glock how do you practice multiple shots without racking the slide every time? Buy a Sirt training pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce3 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) I spent some time on the Air force national pistol team.(this was for bullseye) I went to our team camp at Fort Benning, GA ant the AMU facility we shot 7 hours each day for 5 days. Some of us did dry fire quite a bit every night. I learned a lot of techniques for dry firing as far as your natural point of aim and did not pull the trigger for the first 20 min of dry firing each session. Obviously there are some big differences in bullseye and action pistol so I will leave those steps out. The way I would start is: 1. Grip- get your grip get a good sight picture on a blank wall. Close your eyes for 10 seconds, open your eyes: Do your sights line up? Yes: your grip is good. No: shift your grip left, right as needed. close your eyes and repeat. 2. Stance- As said before in this thread stance plays a big role. By getting your grip correct and getting a good sight picture on a blank wall close your eyes: Do your sights still line up? Yes: stance is good. No: Shift foot forward/ back get sight picture and repeat. 3. Trigger- With your grip/stance correct and finger on the trigger apply pressure with your eyes closed do not "break the shot." Open your eyes: Do you still have good sight picture? Yes: trigger finger is placed properly on the trigger. No: adjust your finger you either have too much or not enough. Get your grip, realign the sights close your eyes and repeat. 4. "Dry firing"- With everything above done correctly now you can check what you do when breaking a shot. some people have a problem with thumbing, tightening grip, healing, anticipation, which is more of a mind thing (it was for me). I would be fine dry firing but once I knew I had a round in the chamber my mind beat me. Break your shots and watch your sight picture. 5. Range- This is better with a friend so he can mess with you. Mix some snap caps in your mags and find out what YOU need to work on the most. Some guys would put a go pro on their box and watch it after the range in slow motion so they could figure out exactly what they were doing right and what they were doing wrong. I know some are saying "I cant do all that before a stage!" The point is to do it so much while dry firing that it becomes second nature. You know what feels right to you after doing this for 30 to 45 min a day. Point blank everyone is different and needs to find what works for themselves. I was not very good at bullseye and I don't like watching paint dry so I switched to IDPA then USPSA and really want to shoot some 3 gun. I have only shot one classifier and am D class so I am not an expert by any means. Dry firing has helped me more than anything else. While watching TV I pull the trigger and keep it depressed while racking the slide to get a feel for the reset for as long as I can. Just my 2 cents.....let me know if any of this helped... Edited February 11, 2015 by Bryce3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 That is worlds different from how I dry fire. My biggest shortcoming is speed though, not accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce3 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Mine is mixing the two. Feels like I am crawling through a stage so I try to speed up and make stupid mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDA Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I spent some time on the Air force national pistol team.(this was for bullseye) I went to our team camp at Fort Benning, GA ant the AMU facility we shot 7 hours each day for 5 days. Some of us did dry fire quite a bit every night. I learned a lot of techniques for dry firing as far as your natural point of aim and did not pull the trigger for the first 20 min of dry firing each session. Obviously there are some big differences in bullseye and action pistol so I will leave those steps out. The way I would start is: 1. Grip- get your grip get a good sight picture on a blank wall. Close your eyes for 10 seconds, open your eyes: Do your sights line up? Yes: your grip is good. No: shift your grip left, right as needed. close your eyes and repeat. 2. Stance- As said before in this thread stance plays a big role. By getting your grip correct and getting a good sight picture on a blank wall close your eyes: Do your sights still line up? Yes: stance is good. No: Shift foot forward/ back get sight picture and repeat. 3. Trigger- With your grip/stance correct and finger on the trigger apply pressure with your eyes closed do not "break the shot." Open your eyes: Do you still have good sight picture? Yes: trigger finger is placed properly on the trigger. No: adjust your finger you either have too much or not enough. Get your grip, realign the sights close your eyes and repeat. 4. "Dry firing"- With everything above done correctly now you can check what you do when breaking a shot. some people have a problem with thumbing, tightening grip, healing, anticipation, which is more of a mind thing (it was for me). I would be fine dry firing but once I knew I had a round in the chamber my mind beat me. Break your shots and watch your sight picture. 5. Range- This is better with a friend so he can mess with you. Mix some snap caps in your mags and find out what YOU need to work on the most. Some guys would put a go pro on their box and watch it after the range in slow motion so they could figure out exactly what they were doing right and what they were doing wrong. I know some are saying "I cant do all that before a stage!" The point is to do it so much while dry firing that it becomes second nature. You know what feels right to you after doing this for 30 to 45 min a day. Point blank everyone is different and needs to find what works for themselves. I was not very good at bullseye and I don't like watching paint dry so I switched to IDPA then USPSA and really want to shoot some 3 gun. I have only shot one classifier and am D class so I am not an expert by any means. Dry firing has helped me more than anything else. While watching TV I pull the trigger and keep it depressed while racking the slide to get a feel for the reset for as long as I can. Just my 2 cents.....let me know if any of this helped... This was interesting. Every time I opened my eyes, the front sight was about a blade width to the left, but the elevation was good. I usually stood dead square to the target, so I moved my right foot back about six inches and the sights never change now. I was using a DA/SA pistol (Beretta) so I sighted, closed my eyes, made six dry DA trigger pulls as fast as I could, opened my eyes, and the sights were dead on. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 2. Stance- As said before in this thread stance plays a big role. By getting your grip correct and getting a good sight picture on a blank wall close your eyes: Do your sights still line up? Yes: stance is good. No: Shift foot forward/ back get sight picture and repeat. Classifiers are really the only time you get to shoot in a proper stance. You would be better off practicing different/ odd positions that you have to shoot in during a stage and making sure your sights are aligned no matter what your foot position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crotchThrower Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) I live by dry fire.... I cannot afford to practice any other way. I practice 30 minutes M-F. Primarily reloading and presentation. I do a little movement and place some targets around and create very small stages. And yes I make the sounds "bang" and "bing" as I do it... Btw, Supermoto rocks... viva "Team Bacon" ... we miss you. Edited February 14, 2015 by crotchThrower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 If you own a Walther you are required by law to say "pew pew" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigsaw Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I never dry fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizz Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I dry fire more. Usually not on live fire days. I need to increase the more. Very impressed on the everyday dry fire posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 20-30 mins 5-6x/week EVERY week of EVERY month except for the week following a major where I take the entire week off from shooting and at the end of my shooting year where I take 2 week off to reassess and plan the next year ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logger Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I dry fire about 10 mins a day. Mostly with two hands, but also some strong hand and some weak hand. And some fast, some slow to simulate different conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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