S&W686 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I competed in an IDPA sectioned match last weekend and received a procedural for cover. The cover call was not done by the Safety Officer, but was done by the score keeper. I am not the only competitor this happened to during the match. Is it legal for the score keeper in a match to make these calls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onagoth Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Yes, in fact, its more appropriate for the score keeper to call procedurals in my mind because the primary SO should be primarily focused on the gun and such things, Edited August 20, 2013 by Onagoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbagger123 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Score keepers job is to score keep and also watch for thing the SO might miss. Was this at the Wa St? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Yes. At majors, the Score Keeper usually makes the cover and target engagement calls, which frees the SO up to watch the shooter and gun more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 As a safety officer, its my job to watch the shooter and particularly the gun. its the scorekeepers responsibility to watch for cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W686 Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 Thank you for your comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Yep, what they said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgulley Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Yup. Two sets of eyes are better than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugs Bunny Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 "... I am not the only competitor this happened to during the match. Is it legal for the score keeper in a match to make these calls ?" My concern would be that the shooter was given the opportunity to correct his error before the penalty was given ? Did the "SK" verbally call "Cover !" ? Or did you find out about it only after your run ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I think you will find that "COVER!" is a "courtesy call", you are not by rule entitled to be warned or to be given an opportunity to correct your position. On Saturday I saw a shooter muttering to himself because he got a PE when the sequence was "step, step, step...COVERBANG," He shot immediately on the heels of the call with no time to back up into the covered position. Tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgulley Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Whether the call was appropriate or not depends on a few factors. See Rule 3.6. It is only a courtesy but should not be called if the shot has already been fired (and penalty assessed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 "... I am not the only competitor this happened to during the match. Is it legal for the score keeper in a match to make these calls ?" My concern would be that the shooter was given the opportunity to correct his error before the penalty was given ? Did the "SK" verbally call "Cover !" ? Or did you find out about it only after your run ? A fault line would for ever eliminate this on going cover call. It has always been a major problem in IDPA. How many times have we all seen a big time shooter go fast enough that a SO does not know if they used cover or not. Go slow Joe blow does the same as big time but gets the procedural for cover. Leaving cover calls up to SO's will always be up to their personal interpretation. Enough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger49931 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 "... I am not the only competitor this happened to during the match. Is it legal for the score keeper in a match to make these calls ?" My concern would be that the shooter was given the opportunity to correct his error before the penalty was given ? Did the "SK" verbally call "Cover !" ? Or did you find out about it only after your run ? A fault line would for ever eliminate this on going cover call. It has always been a major problem in IDPA. How many times have we all seen a big time shooter go fast enough that a SO does not know if they used cover or not. Go slow Joe blow does the same as big time but gets the procedural for cover. Leaving cover calls up to SO's will always be up to their personal interpretation. Enough!! Problem with a fault line would be cover is different for each person. i am 6'6" and can lean WAAAAAAAYYYYYY around a corner compared to my competitor who is say 5'3". Im in favor of a fault line because it would give me an advantage when shooting around corners for that last target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig N Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 At a Major Match the scorekeeper should be a certified SO as well but even at a club match the score keeper is still an SO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjz Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 "... I am not the only competitor this happened to during the match. Is it legal for the score keeper in a match to make these calls ?" My concern would be that the shooter was given the opportunity to correct his error before the penalty was given ? Did the "SK" verbally call "Cover !" ? Or did you find out about it only after your run ? A fault line would for ever eliminate this on going cover call. It has always been a major problem in IDPA. How many times have we all seen a big time shooter go fast enough that a SO does not know if they used cover or not. Go slow Joe blow does the same as big time but gets the procedural for cover. Leaving cover calls up to SO's will always be up to their personal interpretation. Enough!! Problem with a fault line would be cover is different for each person. i am 6'6" and can lean WAAAAAAAYYYYYY around a corner compared to my competitor who is say 5'3". Im in favor of a fault line because it would give me an advantage when shooting around corners for that last target. The cover line ( fault line ) is the same for everyone. It is a straight line from the center of the target in question to edge of cover and extending indefinatley. 100% of your lower body must be inside this line. That doesn't mean that certain body builds could make this harder or easier. The problem is that from a cover position there are usually multiple targets, so each target would need a separate line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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