a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) What is the violation? The frt pocket thing? If its a violation why is he making it tru the equipment checks on the stages? Look at the picture, it is not in his FRONT pocket..... Edited October 17, 2014 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 What is the violation? The frt pocket thing? If its a violation why is he making it tru the equipment checks on the stages? 5.2.4 Spare ammunition, magazines and speed loaders should be carried in retention devices specifically designed for that purpose. Carriage of additional magazines and speed loaders in REAR pockets of shorts or trousers is also approved. 5.2.4.1 For table starts or similar, after the Start Signal, the competitor may carry those items anywhere on their person, and this will not be treated as contravention of Divisional rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 What is the violation? The frt pocket thing? If its a violation why is he making it tru the equipment checks on the stages? 5.2.4 Spare ammunition, magazines and speed loaders should be carried in retention devices specifically designed for that purpose. Carriage of additional magazines and speed loaders in REAR pockets of shorts or trousers is also approved. 5.2.4.1 For table starts or similar, after the Start Signal, the competitor may carry those items anywhere on their person, and this will not be treated as contravention of Divisional rules. clothes are not equipment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueorison Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Man, he absolutely ripped the stage, too, after his recovery. Is Bob Vogel shooting with a pistol light/weight on the rail? Can't tell from the vids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 What is the violation? The frt pocket thing? If its a violation why is he making it tru the equipment checks on the stages? Look at the picture, it is not in his FRONT pocket..... read the rule book it says it should be at the REAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's for weight. I don't know, the ROs don't see the rules that same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Man, he absolutely ripped the stage, too, after his recovery. Is Bob Vogel shooting with a pistol light/weight on the rail? Can't tell from the vids. putting on external weights are allowed in ipsc standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amish_rabbi Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 it also says specifically designed for that purpose, with the exact size and placement of that pocket I would say that it is specifically designed to store a mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) it also says specifically designed for that purpose, with the exact size and placement of that pocket I would say that it is specifically designed to store a mag. it's a pocket. and the rule book states, REAR pocket, not side pocket, not front pocket but REAR. The "speifically designed" thing you are talking about pertains to "retention devices" are tactical pants/shorts considered "retention devices'? Edited October 17, 2014 by bonglee0507 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Did you see KC shoot the dirt, gong prone on 18?? Wonder what's up with that no call? 6.5 feet no call. He was safe...lol Edited October 17, 2014 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Did you see KC shoot the dirt, gong prone on 18?? Wonder what's up with that no call? Video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Man, he absolutely ripped the stage, too, after his recovery. Is Bob Vogel shooting with a pistol light/weight on the rail? Can't tell from the vids. putting on external weights are allowed in ipsc standard oops. i just heard that bob voggel put a flashlight on his gun and per rulebook that is not allowed. weights are allowed not electronic devices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Dude it is lead in a flashlight. Do you really think he would have made it tru tech????? Edited October 17, 2014 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Man, he absolutely ripped the stage, too, after his recovery. Is Bob Vogel shooting with a pistol light/weight on the rail? Can't tell from the vids. putting on external weights are allowed in ipsc standard oops. i just heard that bob voggel put a flashlight on his gun and per rulebook that is not allowed. weights are allowed not electronic devices It's old news. He's been running it that way for a while. The "light" has no internals in it. It has been decided that it is no longer a "light". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Oops double. Edited October 17, 2014 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 KC's shot was 6.5 feet away from his body. Safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Man, he absolutely ripped the stage, too, after his recovery. Is Bob Vogel shooting with a pistol light/weight on the rail? Can't tell from the vids. putting on external weights are allowed in ipsc standard oops. i just heard that bob voggel put a flashlight on his gun and per rulebook that is not allowed. weights are allowed not electronic devices Man, he absolutely ripped the stage, too, after his recovery. Is Bob Vogel shooting with a pistol light/weight on the rail? Can't tell from the vids. putting on external weights are allowed in ipsc standard oops. i just heard that bob voggel put a flashlight on his gun and per rulebook that is not allowed. weights are allowed not electronic devices It's old news. He's been running it that way for a while. The "light" has no internals in it. It has been decided that it is no longer a "light". If thats the case then its fine. With regards to the Nils case, are tac shorts/pants considered equipment???Sent from my Xiaomi Mi3 Edited October 17, 2014 by bonglee0507 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 KC's shot was 6.5 feet away from his body. Safe.In IPSC if its within 3 mtrs you're not safeSent from my Xiaomi Mi3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Did you see KC shoot the dirt, gong prone on 18?? Wonder what's up with that no call? 6.5 feet no call. He was safe...lol Just saw the vid. Eh, he was pretty much all the way down... gun was already pointing in the direction of the targets. RO might not have been able to see the shot strike the ground, since it was on the other side of the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) 6.5 feet is not safe. 3 meters is about 10 feet. Edited October 17, 2014 by Neomet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Well looks like the ROs missed this one. He was behind him and the shot was on the other side of the wall like 6.5 is safe, I should have said 6.5 and he is safe. Edited October 17, 2014 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emjei Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 In another note....seems Mr. Grauffel is going to take the Production win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professor Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I've just been tracking the Revolver teams, where it appears that the top competition is between USA, GERMANY, and BRAZIL. The country squads have posted results for 301 shots out of 501 for the match. Because of the way the results are posted, you can't easily compare the results between shooters. The overall competitor results combine all divisions for all shooters, for all the stages that they have shot. The top result in any given stage is not likely to be a revolver shooter, so the match points are sort of meaningless. However, the relative placement of the 4 shooters in each of these teams should be close to what the revolver division has posted, and each shooter has an average Hit Factor after shooting the same 18 stages. The individual shooter Average Hit Factor ranking, after these 18 stages. Please note that these hit factors are diluted by 0.0 values for the 12 stages not yet incorporated in the averages. The order of these shooters is: USA Lentz - 2.2106 GER Back - 2.1535 USA Olhasso - 2.0544 USA Walsh - 2.0539 BRA Polverini - 1.9684 USA Griffin - 1.9603 BRA Almeida - 1.8811 BRA Azevedo - 1.8449 GER Knaus - 1.7405 GER Kliner - 1.7324 BRA Carvalho - 1.3325 Team Average HF [top 3 shooters at this point] USA 2.10630 BRA 1.89813 GER 1.87547 The German shooter Schneider is no longer listed in the overall Revolver results. It could be that he DQed during the third day of shooting. Note that Average HF does not translate directly into relative rankings at this point, because the differences in stage point values and top HF for the Revolver shooters at each stage doesn't go into that calculation. Still, things are looking good for Team USA, and Josh Lentz could well come out as Top Revolver for the match. His main competitors are AUT's Reiter [avg HF 2.0857] and ECU's Lopez [avg HF 2.3495] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 The German shooter Schneider is no longer listed in the overall Revolver results. It could be that he DQed during the third day of shooting. all of the DQed shooters get moved to squad 87. he is one of them. in the "complete competitor listing" you can search by name or by squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRush Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 End of subject, lets move on! Lol! Last day of competition! Ben trailing by 30 pts to Frenchie! Hope he shoots awesome today! enough of the justifications! it's a violation in IPSC Bonglee, Please refer to Appendix E2 in the current IPSC rulebook. It very clearly demonstrates the hipbone and the requirement for placement of equipment. You may also notice the drawing includes a cargo pocket completely within the limits indicated by the appendix. If you look at the photo posted you will see it is in compliance with the indications of the Appendix. I do not know whether they are considering it a device designed to retain ammunition or a pocket that is to the rear of the front pockets, but we do know that the ROs who are at the match and witnessed the stage in person have approved him starting with ammunition in that location and did not assess a penalty. To say that it is a violation is unsubstantiated and inconsistent with the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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