Neomet Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Shane Coley fell too, but not as bad as Nils. I can't find Shane in the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prov1x Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Shane Coley fell too, but not as bad as Nils. I can't find Shane in the results. He's in there at 102 or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 He is down in the rankings around 62% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) I understand that its not Nils fault but at the same time, if he does win and did know he wasnt suppose to, does he accept the win? I mean Im a fan of his but that may change the way I look at him. I mean, i wouldnt want to win that way! Ive met the most honorable people in this sport and i just dont find it right to do so. If he doesnt know but someone pointed it out, does he asked to be bumped to open then? What if he doesnt? Do you think hes still deserves to be the champ? I would feel like I robbed the true winner of a deserving win but thats just me. Edited October 17, 2014 by Ryan626 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Maybe after he fell the mag fell out of the mag holder and lucky for him landed in his pocket? Lol. Sorry being silly. We are not there we can see and speculate about the video, but that's not for me to answer? Imma look at FB and see what if anything is being said. But I see your point. I won a match before, and due to a over site in stats the points where just enought where I didn't win but it was 7hours after the 1 hour arbitration period. They call explained and yes, I ripped up the check. I'm sure he will do right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Lol! Youre rigth! If the people who was there or the 3 ROs on the stage missed it, its not our call since we were not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Looks like Frenchy had a foot out during the last shot on stage 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Looks like Frenchy had a foot out during the last shot on stage 5. Correct, for the last shot fired and he earned a proc error for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Is it just me or did Maria Guschina shoot that stage the fastest? Btw Paul, a big THANK YOU!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Reference: Nils Magazines can be carried in the rear pocket; But what defines a rear-pocket? As all magazines holders have to be behind the hip-bone it stands to reason that a rear pocket would be classed as a pocket that is behind the hip-bone. Check out the attached image which seems to show a magazine in a left-side pocket that appears to be inline with the front-most magazine holder on his belt. If that is an accurate indication of where this pocket is and if this is where he pulled the magazine from then I don't see a violation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 i dont agree because that is a front pocket! That entire pocket is towards his front and ends by the hip bone! But like I said, its not my call since I wasnt there but thats my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) I'm sure Nils know the rules. They give equipment checks at each stage. So I'm sure he is playing by the rules. It's not his first IPSC match. He also has a few National Championships. So I feel confident the he has not broken any rules. I have the same cargo pants and that middle pocket is just that, in the middle. It's my 2 cents. Edited October 17, 2014 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amish_rabbi Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Looks in line with his first mag pouch to me, good feature on shooting shorts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 End of subject, lets move on! Lol! Last day of competition! Ben trailing by 30 pts to Frenchie! Hope he shoots awesome today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Last day of competition! saturday is the final day for most squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Oops! Thanks! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Almost glad this thing is over so I can get sleep early again! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Anyone else notice that Max has 8 mikes, I think that is more than he has had all year combined.....then he is 20 seconds quicker than Chris and KC.....he might be out running the mikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 As much as we would like it to happen, we can't expect the RO staff to catch and enforce everything 100% of the time, score the targets 100% accurately, or make the correct calls 100% of the time. I am sure there have been many World, National, Area, State, Section, etc champion titles that have been won or lost with a "Tainted" result due to inconsistencies in ROing. We are human and mistakes can and will be made. Some times the RO gods side in your favor, some times they do not. Given the current structure on how these matches are run, the resources they use, and the rules leveraged there is nothing we can do to eliminate these kind of mistakes from happening. Could we have 10 RO's on every stage observing the shooter from every angle to ensure they are not pulling a magazine from their front pocket? Sure, but that is not a viable expense to bear to enforce a rule that is very unlikely to be broken. Could we install 20 cameras on every stage looking at the shooter from every angle while they shoot so the RO's can leverage that data to make a 100% solid ruling? Sure, but just like having 10 RO's on a single stage that is not a viable expense to bear to enforce the rules. In the end, it comes down to the integrity of the shooter and the RO to ensure a fair representation of their stage run has been observed and recorded. Some shooters choose to keep their known violations silent and see if the RO's catch them. Other shooters point out issues that may have been missed by the RO during the stage run. Some times your stage plan gets blown to shit and you are in panic mode trying to recover and you don't even know what exactly what you did after the primary failure point to get through the rest of the stage. I think that Nils was probably in this panic mode situation after falling down then accidentally dropping the magazine out of the gun. You can tell because he did yet another unplanned reload before the end of the stage. Personally, I don't see a premeditated intent to break any rules. I see a shooter in panic mode trying to survive any way they can after having two catastrophic failures in the middle of the stage run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4FunLP Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Heading down to Orlando today and plan to go to the event tomorrow. Can someone give me an address to plug into my cell phone? I've heard that you have to ride a bus. Parking is $50 Etc. any info would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) We think Nils RO mised a call? Check out KC on stage 18, talk about AD, maybe?? Close to say the least... That's all I'll say on that one. Cheers. Edited October 17, 2014 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Great pic Paul. Thanks! I kept looking for something showing his left side. Play stands as called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 End of subject, lets move on! Lol! Last day of competition! Ben trailing by 30 pts to Frenchie! Hope he shoots awesome today! enough of the justifications! it's a violation in IPSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonglee0507 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) End of subject, lets move on! Lol! Last day of competition! Ben trailing by 30 pts to Frenchie! Hope he shoots awesome today! enough of the justifications! it's a violation in IPSC. the RO just did not see http://www.liveshots.net/livelinks_2014ws/28Nils%20Jonasson.mov?width=640&height=360 from the ipsc rule book 5.2.4 Spare ammunition, magazines and speed loaders should be carried in retention devices specifically designed for that purpose. Carriage of additional magazines and speed loaders in rear pockets of shorts or trousers is also approved. 5.2.4.1 For table starts or similar, after the Start Signal, the competitor may carry those items anywhere on their person, and this will not be treated as contravention of Divisional rules. Edited October 17, 2014 by bonglee0507 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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