a matt Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 That's kinda of what I figured, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Can you get video of Eric Grauffel? Today 13:30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professor Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I've just been tracking the Revolver teams, where it appears that the top competition is between USA, GERMANY, and BRAZIL. Those three squads have all shot the same stages, according to the postings. The 12 Stages #19 through #30 cover a total of 200 shots out of 501 [apparently] for the match. Because of the way the results are posted, you can't easily compare the results between shooters. The overall competitor results combine all divisions for all shooters, for all the stages that they have shot. The top result in any given stage is not likely to be a revolver shooter, so the match points are sort of meaningless. However, the relative placement of the 4 shooters in each of these teams have an average Hit Factor for the stages that they have shot. On the Average Hit Factor ranking, after these 12 stages, the order of these shooters is: USA Lentz - 1.4976 GER Back - 1.4383 USA Olhasso - 1.3674 GER Schneider - 1.3475 USA Walsh - 1.3322 BRA Polverini - 1.3126 GER Knaus - 1.2436 USA Griffin - 1.1992 BRA Almeida - 1.1951 GER Rosas - 1.1655 BRA Azevedo - 1.1562 BRA Carvalho - 0.8031 Team Average HF [top 3 shooters at this point] USA 1.39907 GER 1.34313 BRA 1.22130 Note that average HF does not translate into relative rankings, even at this point, because the differences in stage point values and top HF for the Revolver shooters at each stage. Still, things are looking good for Team USA, and Josh Lentz could well come out as Top Revolver for the match. His main competitors are AUT's Reiter [avg HF 1.5080] and ECU's Lopez [avg HF 1.6042] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professor Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Oh yeah. Those average hit factors in my earlier post are diluted by the 18 stage zeros that each shooter has, since they don't have valid scores for those stages as yet. PITA the way these results are posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Shouldnt Nils J be moves to open? Video shows he grabbed his mags from the front pocket? Http://Www.liveshots.net Stage 28 - Nils Jonasson Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited October 17, 2014 by Ryan626 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraW Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Shouldnt Nils J be moves to open? Video shows he grabbed his mags from the front pocket?Http://Www.liveshots.net Stage 28 - Nils Jonasson Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He's shooting standard (limited) so no position requirement for mags like there is in production. I didn't see him pull one out of his pocket though, just put one in his front pocket when he was done, but it wouldn't matter in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Watch closely! I wasnt the first to notice it! He lost a mag when he moved closer! He then started digging into gis pocket when heading to last position. Im from the US so dont know IPSC rules but i was told he should be bumped to open. Just watch him heading into final position. It took forever to grab the mag because it was from his pockets. Even in USPSA, you cant grab from front pocket, no? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) I'm sure someone smarter than I will let us know. Lol IPSC does have MAG position regs behind the hip bone like production in IPSC standard our Limited or close to our Limited. Edited October 17, 2014 by a matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Didnt write my post properly. I meant to ask a question. I am getting mixed answers. I was told in IPSC, you cannot retrieve from pockets. Is this true? If it is, it sure looked like he did grab from the left side pocket. Also, is that allowed in USPSA? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 When I attended IPSC Nats last year in Univ Academy, they checked my equipment at each stage! Ive never seen that before! They also marked how many mag pouches I had on! Thats why Im leaning that this rule is true and if it is, doesnt Nils get a penalty?! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I THINK at least a pen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraW Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Didnt write my post properly. I meant to ask a question. I am getting mixed answers. I was told in IPSC, you cannot retrieve from pockets. Is this true? If it is, it sure looked like he did grab from the left side pocket. Also, is that allowed in USPSA? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I was wrong about mag position in standard. Looks like they do have to be behind the hipbone. IPSC rule 5.2.4 says additional ammo can be carried in rear pockets, but it's not clear if they can be retrieved from there? I think they can, but that's really just a guess. USPSA's 5.2.4 is very specific. Ammo can be carried and retrieved from apparel pockets as long as the location of the pocket doesn't violate specific division requirements i.e. Production behind the hipbone, so front pocket retrieval would be a bump to open, but if shooting limited, L10 or open ammo from any pocket is fine. I'll have to watch the video again on a better screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Thank you for the help.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Thanks! I appreciate the clarification! I mean, I want Nils to win to continue his winning streak but I just don't want it tainted. I saw a post from a competitor on the match in FB and he was upset that Nils didn't get a penalty when he grabbed the mag from his pocket. He was saying Nils should be bumped to Open which I find extreme. I don't see an advantage grabbing from the pocket. To me, it's slower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 That is not up to Nils the on the . IMO hell the ROs know all the rules. Me personally I wouldn't know all the rules or study them to much. But that's me, Im not in it for the win. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRodriguez Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) you need to use the pause button to see that Nils clearly grabbed the last mag from the back pouch, not his pocket. either way, video is not allowed for reviews. Edited October 17, 2014 by JohnRodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Thanks! I appreciate the clarification! I mean, I want Nils to win to continue his winning streak but I just don't want it tainted. I saw a post from a competitor on the match in FB and he was upset that Nils didn't get a penalty when he grabbed the mag from his pocket. He was saying Nils should be bumped to Open which I find extreme. I don't see an advantage grabbing from the pocket. To me, it's slower! You should go back and inform Mr. competitor of his over site. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan626 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I think i might! Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cferree Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 You might want to watch it again. He reloads going forward and the mag doesn't seat. He reloads again and shoots the left forward array. He reloads again moving to the right and fires 9 more times. That reload appears to come from a pocket. The question is whether the mag came from the front pocket OR a pocket behind the seam of his shorts. You can't tell from the video. The CRO was on his right, no chance at seeing the reload. The RO (score keeper) was out of position, directly behind Nils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Ryan, if you mean the post on Nil's FB page that guy is a good friend of Nil's just giving him a hard time. Sure looks like he snagged it from his front pocket. Stage over, he signed the sheet. Its done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 1st, wow he took a really hard fall onto the rocks. nice recovery. I don't see an advantage grabbing from the pocket. To me, it's slower! do you think it's faster than running back to pick up the mag that fell out of his gun after his 1st reload? it looks like the RO didn't have a good angle to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amish_rabbi Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 mags for standard have the same rules as mags for production in IPSC, so if it was from his pocket and that pocket was in front of his hip then he should be in open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 it looks like the RO didn't have a good angle to see it. ^^^^^ This. Any bets if Nils sports another pouch and mag on the belt tomorrow? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 it looks like the RO didn't have a good angle to see it. ^^^^^ This. Any bets if Nils sports another pouch and mag on the belt tomorrow? LOL i don't think that's allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Shane Coley fell too, but not as bad as Nils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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