Jesse Tischauser Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 That A5 really loads that fast for you? It's inertia driven like a Benelli and you never have to port load. So it basically Benelli+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJW Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I got my new M3000 out to the range this weekend. Even without getting around to giving it a solid cleaning yet, it ran Winchester AA Light Target loads (1145fps) just fine. On the other hand, recoil was much more noticeable than my M2. That was a little surprising to me... Score one for the ComforTech stock, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersyn Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'm having a bit of a challenging time trying to source a 3000 here in Ontario, Canada which I have pretty much decided will be my next platform for IPSC shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I got my new M3000 out to the range this weekend. Even without getting around to giving it a solid cleaning yet, it ran Winchester AA Light Target loads (1145fps) just fine. On the other hand, recoil was much more noticeable than my M2. That was a little surprising to me... Score one for the ComforTech stock, I guess. And the Gel recoil pad and proper fitting (did you fit it to you yet?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersyn Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 This looks bloody fantastic, Patrick! Your porting job looks amazing? Was this milled or regular rotary tool-style with monkey grease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 This looks bloody fantastic, Patrick! Your porting job looks amazing? Was this milled or regular rotary tool-style with monkey grease? Mill, elbow grease and Ceracoat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openclassterror Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 These are the photos I used to write our cnc program for porting the Stoegers. Many thanks to Patrick for posting them up! I don't think it can be done much cleaner than he did it here and if you have patience and a good selection of files/ abrasives, it CAN be duplicated by hand. Did I mention you need patience? I can't make money doing it by hand, so I have to tell the mill how to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersyn Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I just came home with a copy of this month's Shooting Illustrated just for Patrick's article. I am now even more sold to do the same. Now, the hunt for a M3000 begins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I got my new M3000 out to the range this weekend. Even without getting around to giving it a solid cleaning yet, it ran Winchester AA Light Target loads (1145fps) just fine. On the other hand, recoil was much more noticeable than my M2. That was a little surprising to me... Score one for the ComforTech stock, I guess.And the Gel recoil pad and proper fitting (did you fit it to you yet?) Who make a gel pad for the Stoeger? I'm sure there are many websites that detail fitting a shotgun, are there any that are recommended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 http://www.multigunmedia.com/shotgun-fit.pdf My favorite recoil pad is a Kickez Rocker. Check Brownells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhugz Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 So I started working on opening up the loading port, but I'm not comfortable working any farther as I don't want to paperweight the receiver/shotgun. It isn't anywhere where it needs to be for quads/deuces. Anyone know of any gunsmiths that will open up the loading port and weld the lifter on the stoeger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 From the little bit of research I've done on shotguns, it seems like they are all very similar, at least the recoil drive models. I would say any gunsmith that works on shotguns should be able to open the loading port and weld up the lifter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJW Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 And the Gel recoil pad and proper fitting (did you fit it to you yet?) No, I didn't fit it yet. It was just a quick range trip to function check. Pat, since you brought it up, I have looked at your article before and I understand drop and cast (played with the shims on my M2 to work at it, even), but I don't actually understand how to adjust pitch, which seems to be the important adjustment for felt recoil. Any wisdom you'd like to share, here? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 So I started working on opening up the loading port, but I'm not comfortable working any farther as I don't want to paperweight the receiver/shotgun. It isn't anywhere where it needs to be for quads/deuces. Anyone know of any gunsmiths that will open up the loading port and weld the lifter on the stoeger? The photos above (post 256) show the cut for "load two". I load plenty fast enough and have not needed anything more aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 So I started working on opening up the loading port, but I'm not comfortable working any farther as I don't want to paperweight the receiver/shotgun. It isn't anywhere where it needs to be for quads/deuces. Anyone know of any gunsmiths that will open up the loading port and weld the lifter on the stoeger? I have yet to see any gunsmith open up a loading port anywhere close to how far mine is open. Most are a fraction of what you see on Pat's gun. It's gonna be tough to get anybody to hack on a receiver that far. Take it slow and post pics and we will walk you thru it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) I picked up my M3000 last night. Pulled the tube off my nova and screed it on. Damnit! It stops about an 1/8" short of where it needs to be to fully seat the barrel. Looks like I'll be cutting the top of the OEM tube off. Edited January 21, 2014 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhugz Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 From the little bit of research I've done on shotguns, it seems like they are all very similar, at least the recoil drive models. I would say any gunsmith that works on shotguns should be able to open the loading port and weld up the lifter. Called Benny Hill and they wouldn't work on it. Any other suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhugz Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 So I started working on opening up the loading port, but I'm not comfortable working any farther as I don't want to paperweight the receiver/shotgun. It isn't anywhere where it needs to be for quads/deuces. Anyone know of any gunsmiths that will open up the loading port and weld the lifter on the stoeger? I have yet to see any gunsmith open up a loading port anywhere close to how far mine is open. Most are a fraction of what you see on Pat's gun. It's gonna be tough to get anybody to hack on a receiver that far. Take it slow and post pics and we will walk you thru it. I'm out on the road with my job and won't be home until the weekend but I'll post pics then. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 From the little bit of research I've done on shotguns, it seems like they are all very similar, at least the recoil drive models. I would say any gunsmith that works on shotguns should be able to open the loading port and weld up the lifter. Called Benny Hill and they wouldn't work on it. Any other suggestions? Try C-Rums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhugz Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 From the little bit of research I've done on shotguns, it seems like they are all very similar, at least the recoil drive models. I would say any gunsmith that works on shotguns should be able to open the loading port and weld up the lifter. Called Benny Hill and they wouldn't work on it. Any other suggestions? Try C-Rums. Thanks, they'll take it, and for the price I just may send it out. I plan to break it in a couple more times sending some more rounds downrange with it and I'll post the pics of the loading port work I've done so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iswope Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Just emailed Jeff at C-Rums to see about the load port opening. My Dremel is in the corner scowling at me mercilessly but I'd like to not screw this up too badly and I really like how nice PK's turned out in the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heaman Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You should check with Tom (openclassterror) on opening the load port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 From the little bit of research I've done on shotguns, it seems like they are all very similar, at least the recoil drive models. I would say any gunsmith that works on shotguns should be able to open the loading port and weld up the lifter. Called Benny Hill and they wouldn't work on it. Any other suggestions? Try C-Rums. Accurate Iron, Rose Action Sports or C-Rums, c-Rums is the welder lifter of the bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Thanks Pat! This sort of Intel is a game changer itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersyn Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Thanks Pat! This sort of Intel is a game changer itself! Agreed! I picked up a copy last night as well just for the article. Thanks to Pat for the write-up and greetings from Canada! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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