kevinj308 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Thank you. I got a laptop and fusion 360 as recommended. I have learned soooo much. Every time I sit down on the computer it becomes more and more natural for me. I am really looking forward to this. Thank you for the wood idea! I was thinking about what to use cheap for practice you're gonna have so much fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Ok. So down the line I plan on building a 2011 or 2 for my shooting buddys. I know I will need an ffl to do so. How big of a P.I.T.A is that? If I'm not mistaken I need a class 01 ffl for gunsmithing. Any suggestions or anything? Good lawyer in fl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIIID Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Gunsmithing needs an 07 Manufacturing FFL, ATF changed their definitions a few years ago on this. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Ok thank you for the update. Again it's nothing I'm going to be doing soon, but I would like to get one one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Well... a day late and a dollar short is my normal but this showed up early. Wanted to kill the driver. Looked at the house said "this don't fit, we don't do inside" dropped it in the driveway and took off. I plan on calling tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 That's about normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 That's sad. I wasn't expecting full set up or anything like that, but I planned on opening the boxes and inspecting everything. He didn't even hang up the phone. O well. It's here! Now if I can find the testicle I dropped getting everything inside I'll be all set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightUp_OG Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) This thread continues to be full of win and does my heart good. Congrats my friend on a wonderful acquisition it's sure to deliver hours of enjoyment and learning and I'm looking forward to your progress. Edited September 17, 2015 by StraightUp_OG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Thank you sir. I saw this post and was fascinated. I kept looking into it. More and more. Kept playing with guns, more and more parts fitting and work. Finally I decided to take the dive. That was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Worst case scenario, you can 3d mill a new testicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I looked at one lol $22k shew!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I looked at one lol $22k shew!!!!!! To be honest, you can get an old used haas vf2 or vf3 for 12k, or an old okuma mx-45 for 15k which are not home owner type machines. You can probably even find one with a 4th axis on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I looked at one lol $22k shew!!!!!! To be honest, you can get an old used haas vf2 or vf3 for 12k, or an old okuma mx-45 for 15k which are not home owner type machines. You can probably even find one with a 4th axis on it The thing that turns me off when I look at old (or even new) industrial machines are the connectivity and technology limitations. Some are just because they are old and some are intentional handicaps so that they can sell high priced options... A home machine running Mach3 or LinuxCNC in some ways is light years ahead of a used industrial machine. The industrial iron with a hobbyist controller would probably be the best of both worlds and could probably be done but would be expensive and would probably compromise the actual chip making capabilities of the industrial machine just to gain a little convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Well what your describing is a DnC feed , also known as a drip feed. So you use an outside computer to feed the crappy old cnc a few a lines of code at a time. It takes a parrellel port to do this its a rs-232 connection, this comes with most of these machines as part of the control. You can even remote start and stop the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 The hobby size machines are popular because most people don't have the space or electrical service required for an industrial machine. Also, most of the industrial machines i've seen on eBay in the 10 to 12 thousand range look very old and very used up. I have seen some nicer ones in the 25 - 30k range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I looked at one lol $22k shew!!!!!!Well I didn't pay that exactly. I opted out of the auto tool changer. That was a 4k upgrade. The wife is NOT happy... I had to take a chain saw to the house to get the thing in the door. So now I have to find a hydraulic engine hoist for rent or rig up a pulley system from the trusses. Either way I need to get double doors for the "shop" entrance now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 The hobby size machines are popular because most people don't have the space or electrical service required for an industrial machine. Also, most of the industrial machines i've seen on eBay in the 10 to 12 thousand range look very old and very used up. I have seen some nicer ones in the 25 - 30k range. Yaya a 12k machine will be really rough looking for sure. However they are also a hole lot more stout of a machine for that money. I gues I was just trying to provide another perspective in the money range that was discussed. Your correct the size is the real problem with a commercial machine. How fast of feed and rapid are the little machines capable of? The ones I'm talking can do around 400 inches a minet of table travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 THe hobby ones I know of can do 200 - 400 IPM rapids. The newer industrial ones can do 1000 - 1200 IPM rapids. That's not much of an issue in my mind. My industrial ones from 2001 do 200 IPM rapid and I don't feel too hindered. I'm not trying to run production, as most home shop guys will not be either. The lightning fast travels and tool changes are needed to make rate in a production part environment where a few seconds per part adds up over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinj308 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) If you've go the time before the wife shoots you lol, I used these to set up a chain hoist in my garage. http://www.mcmaster.com/#strut-channel-trolleys/=yz8ido I put a piece of unistrut in the attic on top of the rafters, dropped some 1/2" all thread down to the shop ceiling and hung another piece of strut with the mcmaster hangers. Harbor freight chain fall on the mcmaster trolley has been pretty handy. ETA curved strut too if you need it. I just used stuff from hd. http://www.mcmaster.com/#strut-u-channel/=yz8ka7 Edited September 17, 2015 by kevinj308 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Sounds good to me. Thank you. I need to look at the rafters. I know they got replaced before we moved in due to a tree but idk who did the job. Several items that got "fixed" by previous owners has made me look twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I looked at one lol $22k shew!!!!!!Well I didn't pay that exactly. I opted out of the auto tool changer. That was a 4k upgrade. The wife is NOT happy... I had to take a chain saw to the house to get the thing in the door. So now I have to find a hydraulic engine hoist for rent or rig up a pulley system from the trusses. Either way I need to get double doors for the "shop" entrance now. I did a major renovation to my house a few years back. It occurred to me that my Stil 460 was the perfect tool for the job. When my wife returned she was not impressed with my choice of tool. It all worked out in the end. One nice aspect to this was she was not as shocked when she found out I fixed a hot water radiator with my Lincoln welder without taking it out of the house.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 :-) sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinj308 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Wow if this was around 2 years ago, knowing what I know now, I would have gone for it. http://www.tormach.com/product-pcnc-440.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Wow if this was around 2 years ago, knowing what I know now, I would have gone for it. http://www.tormach.com/product-pcnc-440.html I'm just thankful it's not a size between the 750 and 1100... I may have been a bit sick if it was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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