Pizzim Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I bought a Stoger Condor a year or so ago for a great price as a entry gun for clays and trap to see if it was going to be something i liked. I just recently picked up an 11-87 as i decided it was, Now i find myself looking for chokes for the 11-87 but im not sure which direction to go. I dont shoot clays that often, or trap for that matter. I have a good time but i want to be able to be competitive. Part of me says just stay with the mod choke thats in the gun and the other part says pick up a IC and IM or a skeet and IC. Thats where the real question comes in .... buy flush tubes or spend twice the coin on extended tubes. I understand the whole ease of changing them without a tool but lets be honest its not like it hard to keep the tool in your pocket and I can see it being easier to unscrew a extended choke without a tool then to unscrew a flush choke with a tool. Figured i would ask the minds of greater shooters than me before i go waste money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunCat Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Extended tubes are easier to change and keep tightened as you mentioned. Also, most extended tubes will have the constriction marked on the outside so you can tell at a glance which tube you have in the gun. In theory the extended tubes should be able to pattern better because the constriction can be spread over a longer distance resulting is less shot deformation. Whether or not there is a measurable improvement in the patterning is going to depend upon many factors; the actual choke, load, bore condition, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I would 2nd that the advantages are primarily ease of changing tubes and being able to know for sure which one is in the gun at any given time. Being able to keep them tight is great too. The patterning changes are great in theory, but just a hoped for extra at my skill level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjw Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) I bought a Stoger Condor a year or so ago for a great price as a entry gun for clays and trap to see if it was going to be something i liked. I just recently picked up an 11-87 as i decided it was, Now i find myself looking for chokes for the 11-87 but im not sure which direction to go. I dont shoot clays that often, or trap for that matter. I have a good time but i want to be able to be competitive. Part of me says just stay with the mod choke thats in the gun and the other part says pick up a IC and IM or a skeet and IC. Thats where the real question comes in .... buy flush tubes or spend twice the coin on extended tubes. I understand the whole ease of changing them without a tool but lets be honest its not like it hard to keep the tool in your pocket and I can see it being easier to unscrew a extended choke without a tool then to unscrew a flush choke with a tool. Figured i would ask the minds of greater shooters than me before i go waste money extended chokes serve no purpose for 3 gun. do i use them , ??? only when i need 1 to match the tube length as near as possible they were developed by sporting clays folks to strip the wad away quicker and improve the patterns at long ranges. 40-65 yard crosser's. for the loose way we use shells and chokes for 3 gun i dont need them or have found them any value. but i do carry them so do what u want. u need to pattern Ur shotgun with both. not as important as in clays but still useful. and yes: i have been shooting 3 gun for years at Benning and Ft Bragg at a lot of outlaw run and guns Carolina Tactical (haul it all) type and was also a A.A. s/clays competitor before an injury forced me to quit. and yes i will be at rock castle with a bag of choke tubes. (all 3 of them) i.c.-mod-i.m. and 2 types of shells. done me well for 15 or so years of 3 gun. ask if u need more. jjw p.s. are u going to tell me guys with 10k on gear cant remember the choke in the gun.???????? L.O.L. Edited August 14, 2012 by jjw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I have some extended chokes. I like the convenience of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngeyes Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 IMO extended chokes are the way to go. They are easier to identify and to use. You'd be surprised how often people forget what choke they have in. Either way, if you shoot trap, you should be using a full choke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 p.s. are u going to tell me guys with 10k on gear cant remember the choke in the gun.???????? L.O.L. yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftnose Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) p.s. are u going to tell me guys with 10k on gear cant remember the choke in the gun.???????? L.O.L. yes Ditto. The name of the game in sporting clays is the look at the targets and determine what they are. The last thing you want to do is try to remember what choke is in the gun. You will see people every day, at every tournament, at every station double check what chokes are in the gun. Me? I have two chokes that are .018 (between LM and M). They're both in my gun just about 100% of the time. They are extended; they are made of Titanium. These are the chokes that came with the gun and it isn't worth it to me to buy something else. However, I do prefer extended chokes as they are easier to handle and should you bash your muzzle against something, well, you maybe just ruined a choke worth $50-$100, not a barrel worth many thousands. Either way, if you shoot trap, you should be using a full choke. Sorry but that's very old fashioned thinking from the days of paper shells and fiber wads. Full is complete and total overkill for 16 yard targets. LM will smoke them hard with modern shells. If you're shooting 25+ yard handicap, it's a different story but I doubt that's the case with the OP as he's talking about getting started with clays. Edited August 16, 2012 by leftnose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouse Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Extended chokes are the ticket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpGunGuy Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I have been shooting skeet and sporting clays for about 14 years. The biggest mistake new shooters make is thinking the choke is the most important factor in the shot. Many new shooters overestimate the distance, and then the necessary choke to make the shot. Unless you are shooting "Big Blast" targets (the top shoots where the targets are set to allow separation of the elite shooters), you would be well advised to put an Improved cylinder choke in, flush or extended doesn't matter, and then focus on the target and what it is doing. You will be way ahead if you take the money you save form not buying a multitude of chokes, and spend it on QUALITY lessons. The equipment is fascinating, but until you have a good skill base, it's the shotgun equivalent of "mall ninja" gear. As usual, this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it. Enjoy the great sport of breaking clay. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1footlead Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 It is a personal choice, I have extended chokes on all of my shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt350z Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I only use extended chokes on my shotguns. They look cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontactical Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Even though I don't believe that they offer any real advantage, they work like a magic feather for me; I simply shoot better with a shiny silver thing sticking out the barrel of the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STI Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Use LM and Mod for everything. Not good enough for it to really matter yet. If I cant hit it with these chokes, won't hit it with full either. But I ONLY shoot sporting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 p.s. are u going to tell me guys with 10k on gear cant remember the choke in the gun.???????? L.O.L. yes OMG - a thousand times yes. As far as a 3 gun shotgun goes, I have 2 chokes ; IM & Full. IM for 99% and Full just in case I feel the need to tighten it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangram Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Look interesting Provoke conversation No tool needed to change them Sporting Clays a plus Sporting Clays a minus if you worry about changing not shooting Skeet or Trap see look interesting comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I used a couple in skeet as I had carrier chokes for the tube set and 12 ga chokes to shoot. Did that so the tubes could go in after shooting 12 ga they are nice for those especially trap shooters who rest. The barrel on shoe in case it slips off. Better a choke than barrel hit the concrete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJones1911 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Does anyone have any experience with the Briley Helix chokes. They look very interesting and I would be curious as to how they perform in 3 gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftnose Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Does anyone have any experience with the Briley Helix chokes. They look very interesting and I would be curious as to how they perform in 3 gun. Nothing but a marketing ploy released by Briley so they could have something "newer, brighter, whiter!" to compete with Muller chokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjstubbl Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I like the cheapest extended brileys the best. The expensive ones are a waste IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymuller Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Muller Chokes offer the best extended choke tubes. Having the right choke in your shotgun, makes your performance better in the competition. If you are unable to decide which Choke Tube is perfect for your shotgun then you can contact us anytime. Choke Tubes Extended Choke Tubes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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