Shawn Knight Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I've never seen a Yugo in a Drag Race. First Time for everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I bought a gun and practiced with it to make sure I knew how to use it. I took classes and eventually I began to shot IDPA and then later USPSA to bring my skill level up. First time my friend, girlfriend and I went to a USPSA type indoor match to get a taste for it was ridiculous. We showed up off the street just as we where and they nearly had a heart attack to find that we were hot, concealed and ready to rock. There were nothing but Limited and Open guns. Not a single one of them carried their guns or even thought about it or could even if they wanted. All they could do was shoot some super duper space age raced out pistol that wouldn't do them any good in the real world and wouldn't know how to shoot a real gun to save their lives, literally. They tried to make us feel like we didn't know what we were doing and dangerous even though we out shot every one but one guy. Even my GF made them look like idiots and they tried to tell her she was going too fast. I felt sorry for them, I still do. I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. Next time I am charged by a pack of quadriplegic floating mexicans or a gang of pregnant midget albinos or have a stand off with a baby-head pinwheel. I know I will be "ready to rock" with my specialized Open gun. Will you be ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. Yeah, that would be like somebody buying a fast street bike. How practical is that? No reason for all that power. Go for a Vespa, or a Beretta. I might even buy a Beretta if Dave Sevigny were to shoot one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 A streetbike is still practical for everyday use unless it's a BMW 1000RR or Ducati 749 or something. Then again you'd race out a vespa and slap some silliness into a GSXR liter bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) I think people are going about this all wrong... Kc going to Glock is a good thing and part of the house cleaning they had to do after "the incident" Kc is a logical choice, sense his ex military, a title holder, and well no nice way to put this, his not a 17 year old girl.. The fact that his a full time instructor is also a great thing for both Glock and kc.. As far as JJ shooting the Caracal, that's an obvious choice too.. Caracal is an unknown right now.. And they want to put their name out there, JJ is known from uspsa steel challenge top shot and his also a title holder... And his super charisma machine.. So I'm sure they made him a good deal.. You ask me this is a good thing Personally I don't care what they shoot, and don't think it will change the dynamic of the sport.. People who shoot limited and open shoot it because its fun, i don't think a couple of open shooters playing around in production will change that.. But.. I would love to see an increase in ss shooting..that would be amazing Max is going to destroy that so hard that some current ss gm and masters will probably quit.. For ever Edited April 27, 2012 by carlosa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I am wondering............ KC and JJ going production and ostensibly leaving Limcat. Maybe there was a shakeup there?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. Next time I am charged by a pack of quadriplegic floating mexicans or a gang of pregnant midget albinos or have a stand off with a baby-head pinwheel. I know I will be "ready to rock" with my specialized Open gun. Will you be ready? What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Knight Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. Next time I am charged by a pack of quadriplegic floating mexicans or a gang of pregnant midget albinos or have a stand off with a baby-head pinwheel. I know I will be "ready to rock" with my specialized Open gun. Will you be ready? What are you talking about? He's talking about getting his ass beat by quadriplegic floating Mexicans, a gang of pregnant midget albinos, and getting into a stand-off with a baby-head pinwheel.... He just wants to be ready... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. Next time I am charged by a pack of quadriplegic floating mexicans or a gang of pregnant midget albinos or have a stand off with a baby-head pinwheel. I know I will be "ready to rock" with my specialized Open gun. Will you be ready? What are you talking about? He's talking about getting his ass beat by quadriplegic floating Mexicans, a gang of pregnant midget albinos, and getting into a stand-off with a baby-head pinwheel.... He just wants to be ready... I must not be getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Pledger Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I am wondering............ KC and JJ going production and ostensibly leaving Limcat. Maybe there was a shakeup there?? From what I understand, JJ will shot PD for Caracal and OD for Limcat. KC will have his Glocks worked on by his present gunsmith. Cheers .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I must not be getting it. A sense of humor is what you're not getting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Knight Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 At the level those shooters are at it doesn't really matter who drives the gun. All of these divisions have their specialists and sometimes they just like to try new stuff. How many people posting here have tried every division with division specific equipment? All of them are a diferent game when you consider the equipment. Also it does take a great deal of focus and skill to drive an open gun to the level these drive it at. Anyone that has ever tossed an open gun onto the bed trying to draw knows what I am talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I bought a gun and practiced with it to make sure I knew how to use it. I took classes and eventually I began to shot IDPA and then later USPSA to bring my skill level up. First time my friend, girlfriend and I went to a USPSA type indoor match to get a taste for it was ridiculous. We showed up off the street just as we where and they nearly had a heart attack to find that we were hot, concealed and ready to rock. There were nothing but Limited and Open guns. Not a single one of them carried their guns or even thought about it or could even if they wanted. All they could do was shoot some super duper space age raced out pistol that wouldn't do them any good in the real world and wouldn't know how to shoot a real gun to save their lives, literally. They tried to make us feel like we didn't know what we were doing and dangerous even though we out shot every one but one guy. Even my GF made them look like idiots and they tried to tell her she was going too fast. I felt sorry for them, I still do. I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. we wanna see videos!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbean Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I bought a gun and practiced with it to make sure I knew how to use it. I took classes and eventually I began to shot IDPA and then later USPSA to bring my skill level up. First time my friend, girlfriend and I went to a USPSA type indoor match to get a taste for it was ridiculous. We showed up off the street just as we where and they nearly had a heart attack to find that we were hot, concealed and ready to rock. There were nothing but Limited and Open guns. Not a single one of them carried their guns or even thought about it or could even if they wanted. All they could do was shoot some super duper space age raced out pistol that wouldn't do them any good in the real world and wouldn't know how to shoot a real gun to save their lives, literally. They tried to make us feel like we didn't know what we were doing and dangerous even though we out shot every one but one guy. Even my GF made them look like idiots and they tried to tell her she was going too fast. I felt sorry for them, I still do. I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. Tell me about it. If only I had a nickle for every shooting sport I've taken up only to discover I could out-shoot everyone there and further discover the sport was full of idiots who couldn't shoot, why I'd.............. ... ... ... ...still not have a nickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Gene Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Wow, pretty soon the biggest division will be "Limited Minor"............Dang-it, guess I will have to start shooting "Open Minor" now. wg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I doubt many, if any USPSA folks will be swayed to switch divisions based upon who is shooting it. Gun brands yes, divisions no. There are usually very specific reasons why we choose the division(s) we shoot and rarely is it about there being a great shooter in that division. Every divisions Thundergods that we all admire. Taurus could go bonkers and offer full rides to all the top shooters to shoot revo and I would not bet on a huge shift to wheelguns at matches. Well, maybe...maybe not. Shooting a Glock and having made GM in Limited...where the competition was (still is)...I didn't switch over to Production until I saw that Sevigny was going to stay there. If he would have bailed, I would likely still be shooting Limited. To me, Dave made that division. It likely would have grown in numbers, but now it has also grown in really legit competition. As to the opening post...the shake up is that 3 of the very best Open shooters are likely going to be shooting something other than Open for most of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 So far I've done a "clean-up on aisle 3" in several different posts in this thread. I'm done mopping up this crap. Future instances go away without warning and may very likely earn the offender a time-out from these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I think sometimes people think too much... maybe I do too. At the end of the day I'll shoot what I like to shoot with who I like to compete against. Top shooters have the same decisions to make while considering their sponsorship and careers. Change is often good for everyone... variety is the spice of life. I'm just glad that we have such great top sponsored shooters... they are just awesome for our sport. Max, JJ, TGO, Sevigny, etc are great ambassadors. And iif Mike wants to train to go against a gang of pregnant midget albinos- then let him, it's his choice. One thing for sure.... all of our thoughts here are just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 A streetbike is still practical for everyday use unless it's a BMW 1000RR or Ducati 749 or something. Then again you'd race out a vespa and slap some silliness into a GSXR liter bike. I would deck out the Vespa. Would the Mexican midget albino mongoloids zombies still catch me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I have no want to shoot some specialized gun. I want to shoot limited and open as much as drive an Indy or funny car to work and back every day. If it's not practical, it's worthless. You want to go fast but the only reason you can do it is because the equipment let's you, not because you're that good. Yeah, that would be like somebody buying a fast street bike. How practical is that? No reason for all that power. Go for a Vespa, or a Beretta. I might even buy a Beretta if Dave Sevigny were to shoot one though. I don't think that is a good analogy, since a fast streetbike is still street-legal. A better comparison would be to a race-only bike that could not be driven on the street. I also have no desire to own a race-only gun (or a race-only bike), but that doesn't prevent me from appreciating what others can do with their race-only guns (and bikes). It's all still shooting. IMHO if you can outshoot everyone with a limited or open gun, you can probably outshoot most everyone with a production gun too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) End result will be that there will be more compitition up top in Production now and the more people you have pushing the envelope, the further it will take it as a whole. Most all new shooters start in Production because it's inline with what they might already have, believe in if they carry or straight economics. That's why it's slowly becoming the dominant division. Either way, they'll see these top shooters racing a Production gun like they've never seen before and not knowing any better, they'll think that's the standard they'll need to aspire to and will ramp up far quicker than someone that started when the group as a whole moved slower. Happens everywhere, sportbikes, motocross, snowboarding, skateboarding, freestyle skiing, jet skiing, gymnastics, etc. We have a handful of newer Production shooters that went from sucking when they started 1.5 years ago to being serious threats today and are A's and M's. People are doing today in practice what was not acheivable in compitition a few years ago and they're doing it faster. If we get guys shooting Production guns like they shoot Limited or Open guns, the skill level as a whole gets raised and everyone benifits. Todays B class shooters were last decades A class shooters. By the way, I don't know what he's talking about either. Edited April 27, 2012 by EmanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 What would truely shake things up is if RedBull came in and sponsored shooters and events. Anything they've backed has taken off leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Cline Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 A very good example of this would be what didn’t happen after Ben Stoeger won the 2011 USPSA Production Nationals using a Beretta. Did USPSA Production shooters jump on the “Beretta is the best” bandwagon and dump their XD’s, M&P’s, CZ’s, Glocks and whatever else just because Ben won the nationals with one? I would venture to say that the answer is a resounding NO. To further this point no one can argue that Ben has been cleaning house in the Production Division at just about every major match he attends with his trusty Beretta. So the highly effective performance of a Beretta in competition has a lengthy track record making the Nationals win not a “Fluke”. I don’t pick Ben as an example to state that he is a bad promoter of what he uses. Its just a good example of someone using something completely different than the “Normal” but it does not trigger a cult following just because Ben can win with it. Part of the problem is that Beretta doesn't sell the Elite series anymore, so even if you wanted to buy Ben's gun, you can't. I think the obvious case study is Dave Sevigny. I haven't been shooting that long (2007), and I went straight in to competition, so I'm a bad judge. My impression is that Dave did a lot to popularize the Glock in competition shooting and that that spilled out in to the general public. Does anyone have a better feel for that? With respect to you and Dave Sevigny, I think DS did little to popularize Glocks. Glocks marketing (with no reference to USPSA or DS), Glocks in LE use, and Glocks exposure in movies, "That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me, you know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport metal detectors and probably costs more than what you make in a month." Popularized the Glock. That and it's innovative features, design, and materials. We are too small. Hollywood, LE use, innovation and marketing are all huge. We love our warriors and cops in America. SWAT and everything "badass." On Top Shot it appears we'd rather see rappelling and door breaches and explosions as someone crawls under barbed wire instead a smart little Speed Shoot with mandatory reload (pure shooting skill). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jar Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Next time I am charged by a pack of quadriplegic floating mexicans or a gang of pregnant midget albinos or have a stand off with a baby-head pinwheel. I know I will be "ready to rock" with my specialized Open gun. Will you be ready? Dunno why people didn't get this, I thought it was hilarious. Think paper targets, pepper poppers, and a texas star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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