cryptoprocta Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 As an owner and user of Larues, a CTR02, and a JP15....no question for me: CTR02 for 3 Gun all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMc Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Hurley, come get this CTR in my safe and put that new scope of yours on it and play with it. This JP makes me smile, ever time I handle it. It is the finest rifle, that I have ever pulled the trigger on. Even though, I don't pull them very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Well gee Pat, J.P. is also "good to Cops" not only does he do L.E. discounts, he also has a program called "We got your back". If you use your J.P. rifle in the line of duty and it is taken as evidence, contact J.P. and they will loan you one just like the one going to court untill yours is released and back to you. Does Noveske do that?? Ahem....NO! It is ok to be brand loyal and I aplaud you for that, but while you are doing that, you seem to go out of your way to run down many fine makers which even in this bad economy STILL support the sport to the tune of donating 4-5 rifles per match plus a ton of parts which Noveske, even durring the good times NEVER did or does. I don't think anyone on this board doesn't know you like Noveske and Geiselle triggers, but lets not keep saying" I would never trust a J.P. trigger cause Mine doubled once", J.P.s kick way more than a Noveske, I would never own a J.P. lightened carrier....etc. We got it. KurtM I did not mean to give the impression I was down grading JP. Like I said earlier my friends rifle is nice rifle. Also did not know about JP's have your back program or their LEO discount. Thanks for the information. As for the trigger they are exellent and while I prefer Geissele I don't find fault with JP triggers anymore. I did for a time after my negative experience but not anymore. As for the lightened carrier I was very interested in the concept and I even sent you a PM on it and you gave me some good information. I shot my friends the other day to see what a difference it could make. He must have had it adjusted improperly because his did recoil more. Anyway all three brands are good choices in my opinion. I really like Larue's dontations to the sport they donated to the three gun match I held this last summer. Good guys.They sent a certificate for a mount and 35 dillos and 35 dillo bottle openers. While my Stealth is too heavy for the game in my opinion I think the new Predator may be a great choice. I just wish I could get it as an upper only. Pat Edited October 19, 2011 by Alaskapopo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_SC Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I would never buy anything from Mark Larue, so the decision would be easy for me. Why not? I don't know him, but he sure donates a lot to the sport, and he makes good gear. At the pro-am he sat down at the table with us and had a good conversation, he was down to earth, it was a little while before we even knew who he was. The free brisket we were eating was most excellent as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken hebert Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 While my Stealth is too heavy for the game in my opinion I think the new Predator may be a great choice. I just wish I could get it as an upper only. Pat Dont hold your breath. I played with a 16" PredatAR at a match last month and it didnt feel much lighter than my 16" Stealth, set up damn near the same (stock and optic), and a site heavier than the 18" or 20" gun I normally shoot. Which is why my previous thread about turning down a Larue barrel was posted (and done today as a matter of fact). Fact is, Larue are GREAT rifles and hellaciously accurate, but starting with the thicker receivers and adding the large diameter barrels might make it a fine instrument for long sustained accurate fire, its still heavy for this GAME we're speaking of. So yeah, Larue over Noveske hands down, if for no other reason than how good Mark and company are to us (something it pays to remember, thank you very much Mark). And for the GAME we are referencing in this thread, JP over Larue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I have an 18" Predator. Be glad to weigh the gun or just the upper without optic on it so there are numbers instead of feelings, if anyone is interested. If not, no harm, no foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I got to shoot a friend's JP for almost a year. Fantastic gun. I ended up putting nothing but JP parts in my AR and a Sabre Defence barrel. My AR easily shoot 1/2 MOA. The JP shoots 1/3 MOA but that is only due to my scope. A more powerful scope and I could end up 1/4 MOA with the JP. JP is a huge sponsor of our sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) While my Stealth is too heavy for the game in my opinion I think the new Predator may be a great choice. I just wish I could get it as an upper only. Pat Dont hold your breath. I played with a 16" PredatAR at a match last month and it didnt feel much lighter than my 16" Stealth, set up damn near the same (stock and optic), and a site heavier than the 18" or 20" gun I normally shoot. Which is why my previous thread about turning down a Larue barrel was posted (and done today as a matter of fact). Fact is, Larue are GREAT rifles and hellaciously accurate, but starting with the thicker receivers and adding the large diameter barrels might make it a fine instrument for long sustained accurate fire, its still heavy for this GAME we're speaking of. So yeah, Larue over Noveske hands down, if for no other reason than how good Mark and company are to us (something it pays to remember, thank you very much Mark). And for the GAME we are referencing in this thread, JP over Larue. Off topic but how do you like your Stealth now that its turned down? I do like Larue and I use his mounts on nearly all my rifles. They are the best out there in my opinion. He also does a nice LEO discount. Pat Edited October 20, 2011 by Alaskapopo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 where is the best place to purchase a CTR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I have never seen Noveske support 3-gun. I have never seen any of their products on a prize table, I have never seen them sponsor a stage etc. This is one time I'll disagree with you Kurt. Noveske donated 3 of their new lowers to the Topton Team 3 Gun this year. I know, my team won them. That said, JP's support of the sport is phenomenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Glad to HEAR that they are starting to do something, but like I said I had never SEEN it, and I get to lot,s of matches. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruePunisher Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 where is the best place to purchase a CTR? I believe Shooters Connection has then in stock most of the time: http://shootersconnectionstore.com/JP-Rifles-and-Uppers-C246.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpipe95 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) I would never buy anything from Mark Larue, so the decision would be easy for me. Why not? I don't know him, but he sure donates a lot to the sport, and he makes good gear. At the pro-am he sat down at the table with us and had a good conversation, he was down to earth, it was a little while before we even knew who he was. The free brisket we were eating was most excellent as well. I don't think you want to open up that can of worms. It has been made clear that people can not speak their mind when it comes to this topic. So the best way to say it is that people who actually follow things will never spend money with him or his company. It is probably best to leave it at that. Edited October 20, 2011 by bpipe95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_SC Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Understand. I have no dog in the fight, I have a JP, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Glad to HEAR that they are starting to do something, but like I said I had never SEEN it, and I get to lot,s of matches. Kurt They are relatively new to the three gun game give it some time. The good news is there are a fair number of good choices for someone wanting a high end three gun rifle. JP, Noveske, Firebird, Larue can all be good choices depending on the users tastes. More choices are good. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangedays Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I would never buy anything from Mark Larue, so the decision would be easy for me. Why not? I don't know him, but he sure donates a lot to the sport, and he makes good gear. At the pro-am he sat down at the table with us and had a good conversation, he was down to earth, it was a little while before we even knew who he was. The free brisket we were eating was most excellent as well. I don't think you want to open up that can of worms. It has been made clear that people can not speak their mind when it comes to this topic. So the best way to say it is that people who actually follow things will never spend money with him or his company. It is probably best to leave it at that. Funny how that works. Reminds me of how some things get done in this country, we all look at who gives the money and don't care how big of an ass they may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I would never buy anything from Mark Larue, so the decision would be easy for me. Why not? I don't know him, but he sure donates a lot to the sport, and he makes good gear. At the pro-am he sat down at the table with us and had a good conversation, he was down to earth, it was a little while before we even knew who he was. The free brisket we were eating was most excellent as well. I don't think you want to open up that can of worms. It has been made clear that people can not speak their mind when it comes to this topic. So the best way to say it is that people who actually follow things will never spend money with him or his company. It is probably best to leave it at that. Funny how that works. Reminds me of how some things get done in this country, we all look at who gives the money and don't care how big of an ass they may be. Many of us have a far different opinon of Mark Larue than you do. Obviously your opinion is subjective. What I care about the most when I spend my money is quality. Mark Larue's products deliver that. After that I look at how well they support the sport or my profession. Every Larue product I own has been great. He has also supported my efforts here in Alaska at hosting three gun matches with donations that he did not have to give. I have seen him send free equipment to soldiers in the field as well. He is a good man. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I would never buy anything from Mark Larue, so the decision would be easy for me. Why not? I don't know him, but he sure donates a lot to the sport, and he makes good gear. At the pro-am he sat down at the table with us and had a good conversation, he was down to earth, it was a little while before we even knew who he was. The free brisket we were eating was most excellent as well. I don't think you want to open up that can of worms. It has been made clear that people can not speak their mind when it comes to this topic. So the best way to say it is that people who actually follow things will never spend money with him or his company. It is probably best to leave it at that. Funny how that works. Reminds me of how some things get done in this country, we all look at who gives the money and don't care how big of an ass they may be. It is funny isn't it, how when some people get called out on their completely inappropriate emails will continue to excuse their poor behavior all the while repetitively badmouthing a vendor. It reminds me of how things get done in this country, like the time Mark Larue received a call and rush shipped an Army unit a full set of mounts, rails, and gear for their rifles while they were in country. Even though the unit had set up payment the box on the invoice where the cost should have been simply said "go kill bad guys".......ya, that guy is an ass, I'll never buy anything from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 If you are looking for a cheap alternative to a JP15 buy a cheap forged upper/lower and put JP barrel, Trigger, etc on it. It will save u about $400-500. Another good option is the new Stag Arms Model 3G. It is the most bang for your buck in an off the shelf 3 gun rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Keep this thread focused on the rifles themselves and the companies' support (or lack thereof) for the shooting sports and take the observations about the personalities involved someplace else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpipe95 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) If you are looking for a cheap alternative to a JP15 buy a cheap forged upper/lower and put JP barrel, Trigger, etc on it. It will save u about $400-500. Another good option is the new Stag Arms Model 3G. It is the most bang for your buck in an off the shelf 3 gun rifle. I REALLLY want to get my hands on one of those stag units. I am a huge fan of their products and have gone to using their receivers and BCG's on all builds I do. I ma just itching for them to start selling the 3g barrel on it's own. Edited October 22, 2011 by bpipe95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikaze1a Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) Give Jim a call at Firebird. Very high quality, very supportive of 3gun and one hell of a good guy. Check in the vendor section. I've never met Jim but his builds are solid! Edited October 21, 2011 by kamikaze1a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespid_Wasp Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Give Jim a call at Firebird. Very high quality, very supportive of 3gun and one hell of a good guy. Check in the vendor section. I've never met Jim but his builds are solid! I've been meaning to give you a shout to see how that rifle is shooting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangedays Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I would build my own but JP makes some sweet rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cworks Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) Shot a friends JP after the match today. His gun is nice but it recoiled more than my Noveske. I was hoping it would move less off the target due to its low mass operating system but that was not the case. Perhaps he had it adjusted wrong. We both have 18 inch guns. He has an adjustable gas system. Mine may be a touch heavier. His is about .5 to .75 moa and mine is about .75 to 1 moa. I preferred mine after shooting his and mine with my ammo. So I would say get a Noveske. Cheaper too. I would like to do a build with a JP barrel. I also have a Larue 20 inch Stealth and its a beast for three gun too heavy. So given the choice between just a Larue and JP for this game I would go JP. Another friend of mine was on the fence about which rifle to buy that is why we had both rifles there after the match. He decided to go with the Noveske. Pat I also shot Pats rifle and his buddies JP that day. Pats rifle shot flatter and had less recoil. His buddies rifle was making an awful springy sound though. I wish I could put that SJC comp on a JP rifle! Edited October 22, 2011 by cworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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