D. Manley

Just for kicks I just loaded up a few to try & replicate the Atlanta Arms GSSF load using 147 Zero JHP's over 4.0 grains of WSF @ 1.10. I did'nt chrono them but they both shot well and grouped well from my G-34. Recoil was moderate, not quite as soft as a minor load using S-1000 or N-320 but very nice load nonetheless. I can see why people like it...

I'd think in *most* guns, it doesn't matter...if it feeds JHP's, it'll feed FP.

Yep, mine varies a bit between full & empty...up to .007 or .008 with some bullets but usually a good deal less so.

I got a bad batch of Winchester SPP and it about drove me nuts for a while. Filling the primer tubes, they would hang up at varying points before filling...next tube would go fine and then, not. I polished out tubes & all the other stuff and finally found the culprits. Once that 1,000 was gone, no more problems. It does happen...

Interesting. OAL choices from 4 happy shooters of 1.10, 1.125, 1.30 and 1.35...all near the same PF. Makes you wonder just how big a deal OAL really is (within reason, of course) for minor. IME, the lighter 9MM bullet weights seem more accuracy sensitive to seating depth and velocity than do heavier bullets. To me, it seems 115 JHP's need to run at or near factory velocities to really tighten up but 147's seem more forgiving in both respects. I don't shoot enough mid-weight stuff to have an opinion. Thanks for the replies...as I said, interesting.

Finally got a shipment of 147 grain Zero JHP's (love that rebated base) in and I'd like to see what OAL others are using for minor and why. I know that (1) Atlanta Arms loads this bullet to minor PF @ 1.10 with excellent results and, (2) almost everyone else loads them longer with equal results. I'll be running mine through Glock mags so longer is not a problem but I'm wondering what the advangages of loading long at minor PF? I guess the root questions are, in your experience does running shorter tend to lower the ES loading to minor PF, does it impact accuracy or, do you consider it insignificant on either count? I've set my seater to run the first batches at 1.125 and will go from there but I'd love to hear other opinions from those shooting this bullet.

Since I use a SDB so, no disassembly required for cleaning on my dies. After I noted some very fine scratches on the brass after loading, I started giving 'em a quick wipe-out every time I switch calibers...problem solved.

I carry one of them little possum-bellied suckers in my pocket just as a reminder, "don't load 9MM & .40 mags together and never at midnight...

Reading the thread, this was my thoughts as well. I've never seen or heard anything like this on plated bullets. Using the RN stem, the vent hole should not put that much pressure on the bullet. Only problem I've personally had with plated were a batch of .40 Rainier RNFP design where the SWC stem (closest match to bullet) left a little cosmetic "ring" on the ogive. This was temporarily solved with a little dremel polishing and permanently remedied by switching to a conventional .40 FP design.

Interesting. I wonder what role (if any) the very low case density of 3.8 grains of TG played?

Seems like they used a REALLY fast barrel for the "newer" data. I had a bit of back and forth with their ballistician about velocities, load max & pressures. I run 3.4 grains under 147 FMJ's and according to Accurate, I'm at 9MM max or very close to +P pressures. While I certainly cannot dispute that, nothing I see indicates high pressure and anything less don't run most Glocks with a stock recoil spring.

If you shoot Accurate an email they will respond. Below is a copy of what I received but I would urge you to contact them personally. You will note that the data does not entirely jibe with the older Scot data linked in the post above. I use S-1000 under 147 Jacketed in 9MM and find the Accurate data conservative...YMMV. Accurate_9MM_Solo_1000.pdf

Do a little searching in this forum, lots of good information. FWIW, it does fine with 147 jacketed.

I think you are right. I am going to bump up the charge by a few decimals and I hope that this will eliminate the problem but this is going to have to wait until I get the gun back from Smith & Wesson. The gun had to go back because of a broken firing pin. I would have changed it myself but the company won't send parts in the mail; I had to send the gun to them... I think you're on the right track. I've had no issues with Clays from 3.0 to 3.3 grains and even there is ridiculously soft.

With things such as they are, I'm not a comfortable with my 6-month or so supply as I used to be. I have some B/O with Cabelas and AFAIK, they are still taking orders.

Winchester Brass, Small Pistol Primers/Winchester, the primers are not going into the brass. I was able to remove a couple of them by hand. I don' see anything binding up Check to ensure the right (small) seater is installed and that the primer slide is adjusted to properly to center the cup under the opening in the shell plate as it indexes. From the SDB manual: "If the primer cup is not centered under the shellplate or snaps into place when the handle is raised it may be necessary to adjust the primer slide travel by turning the slide stop adjustment screw (#13961b) in 1/8 turn increments. It is located between the primer slide and the coiled spring (#13798) on the front on the housing. (see pgs 3 & 4.) If all is good there, remove the primer slide and check that the seating stem is within spec. Measuring from the underside of the primer slide to the top of the primer cup it should be 1.410", +/-.005". If it's greater than this, use a clamp or vise to compress spring & reseat the stem and then retighten the set screw.

No and thankfully, it seems to be showing up less & less at my local range. I don't really know about other calibers but in 9MM, they actually market 2 separate versions with different stock numbers. I've seen both of them offered and listed separately by a couple of vendors. To the eye, the cases are identical...matter of fact, I actually reloaded and shot a few of the steel ones before I found out what was up with them. FWIW, the steel ones are a beast going through the press...being hard to prime is an understatement.

After initial problems with S&B brass when I first tried them I examined a bunch thoroughly under a lighted magnifier and came to the same conclusion...sharp pocket corner minus any bevel. Adding a little chamfer by hand will "get you by" but the best solution is to give 'em a little bump them with a swaging tool. Once done, I find it very good and durable brass but you do have to be alert for the brass plated steel ones.

I'd have to call that one a miss. More accurately, it's a Lee die that's been bored out a little less...

Have a look through the DILLON HELP GUIDE just to eliminate anything mechanical. I also got a bad lot of WSPP that drove me nuts for a while...often, they would hang up in the primer pickup tubes. I'd normally suggest buying a box or two of primers from a known different batch but with the present shortage, good luck with that. One other thing comes to mind about the Winchester brass. I have no idea if it's true but I've seen it noted in a couple of places that Winchester has "subbed out" some brass production to S&B. If true, S&B has notoriously tight primer pockets.

Care to share your load data for the 147 PD's and Solo 1000? I'm getting ready to work up a 147 Precision Delta/Solo 1000 load for a 9mm 1911. Bill FWIW, I run 3.4 grains S-1000 under Remington FMC Match @1.13 OAL. Note that the Remington bullet is a flat-nosed design. Great load, accurate, very soft & runs on a 15LB ISMI with no problems.

S-1000 does shoot very softly and that's some of the appeal. I'd be cautious if you decide to bump the load especially on the 124 grain load. I know a lot of folks (myself included) consider Accurate's data with Solo ultra-conservative but still, you're a full grain over their 124 grain max of 3.5. That said, I run 3.4 under 147's in a G-34 with a 15 round spring and it's never failed to cycle after a couple thousand of them. I can shoot 4.0 grains under a 115 all day without issue but other people shooting the same load in the same setup have cycling problems...go figure. FWIW, I've ran the 13LB ISMI spring too and it's OK, I just like the recoil tracking better with the 15LB.

I run the 115 MG JHP @ 1.10...fine in all my Glocks. Work your load up but this is well under published max load with Power Pistol. PP has a lot of muzzle flash and noise but is actually a pretty forgiving powder. Ran that load today.. started @ 5.6 - 6.4 And it is a toss up between 6.0 & 6.2 both gave 2"@15yds off sandbag. It did "feel" hot but primers showed no signs of it being so.(maybe I need some of Brian"s Slide-Glide Heavy" Thanks again for the help. 6.0 to 6.2 shoots very well in my Guns with a variety of 115 grain bullets. The "feel" hot thing is just part of the Power Pistol experience...it also "looks" hot and "sounds" hot. Most of my range time is indoors and I generally shoot other, less flashy & lower decibel powders for this reason...it is a great powder for the 9MM though.

+1.

Precisely. I love S-1000 in .45 and under 147's in 9MM. Although I've ran quite a few 115's with it, my only impression from that is filling a niche for very soft loads for new or recoil sensitive shooters...no experience with 124/125's. If I were the OP, I'd just run some heavier bullets next order and smile. I ran through a couple of hundred of my load today (3.4 grains under a 147 grain FMJ) and its a very good combination.