D. Manley

Carly doesn't deliver your stuff from Dillon? I best wake up. 8-) Carly doesn't deliver my stuff either As Homer Simpson would say, "Ummmmm.......CARLY!".

Welcome to my world.........unfortunately! I truly thought that any stock gun would fire them. I loaded all Federal for Nationals! They seat and fire very nicely Now, all I have to do is hit the targets.....quickly I put together another firing pin assembly for my G-34 that put a little more "whap" on them. The last batch running that setup all lit off just fine although, the trigger obviously isn't nearly as nice as the previous one. Even when seated perfectly they are just harder to light whether it's the cup or the compound. I think I've now got the solution to run them reliably but when they're gone, they're gone for me. I am surprised of the problems in a stock gun.

If they are in fact tumbling -and- doing it in different guns, my first thought would be an undersized batch of bullets. I'd measure a few dozen of them...

Are you sure they're tumbling, could it just be paper tears from lack of cardboard backing? This happens frequently, unless paper targets are supported it tends to rip & tear rather than punch a clean hole and gives the appearance of tumbling bullets.

The instructions are pretty basic but are accurate. You want to shoot for a minimal swage...biggest mistake people make with them initially is overestimating the amount of force required. The little suckers have tremendous leverage and if you have to exert any significant force, it's way too much. As a starting point, back off the swage rod a good bit and insert an unswaged case. Drop the handle (as if swaging) and tighten the swage rod as tight as it goes into the pocket. Release the tension and turn tighten the swage rod another 1/4 turn and lock it down. Try a few and check primer seating. Continue until primers seat easily and consistent but not, too easy or loose. Under swaging don't hurt anything, you can adjust and go on...overdone, it's a wasted piece of brass. Until you develop a feel for the required force you'll probably have to re-adjust when you change headstamps.

I ran another batch of 100 with a Glockworx lightened steel striker and used a Glock OEM minus 4-coils...the new Wolfs ran 100%. These were loaded 20 rounds each with 5 different headstamps of brass. I didn't bother to go lighter on the spring but from the striker marks on the fired cases could probably lose another coil or so and still be good. Trigger is not quite as nice but still, much better than OEM.

Just a FWIW on the new nickle-plated Wolf SPP... After having problems with reliable ignition running a G-34 with a Lightning Strike lightened steel striker and 4 LB Wolff RPFPS I experiemnted a bit today with a different setup. Using a Glockworx lightened SS striker with a Glock OEM spring minus precisely 4-coils ran them 100%. Just judging from the firing pin marks on spent cases, could probably drop another coil or two. They just need a little harder slap than the 4 LB Wolff spring puts on em'. The modified OEM spring setup isn't nearly as nice as the Wolff RPFPS but still better than OEM.

Jeez, I'm wondering what's going on at Wolf...gold, copper and now nickle-plated. To (not) answer your question, I have no experience with the "copper-colored" primers but their new nickle plated SPP are definitely harder to light than Winchester or Federal. I've rigged up a new lightened Glockworx FP using a trimmed down OEM spring to test on my next trip. The Lightning Strike steel FP and Wolff RPFPS has been 100% reliable until meeting the Wolf primers but it is totally unreliable with them.

Assuming these are RN profile, you'll be just fine. Most factory rounds are right in that area too if you check. You can obviously load shorter but if the rounds chamber fine, feed fine & make PF for you, there's no prevailing reason to change.

N-340 is excellent in all bullet weights in 9MM. I've had very good results under 147 jacketed Flat Points and Zero JHP's' at 3.8 / 3.9 grains...soft shooting and nicely accurate.

The primers you describe are not the primers most people are having problems with. They have changed the SPP, new ones are nickle plated and are without doubt, harder to light which is showing up in many guns running tuned triggers. There may be some issues with seating (I've had none) but this is not the root cause of the problem. I've seen reports showing up from people using every press you can imagine as well as hand priming.

I've about given up on the "why" the Wolfs are so hard to light...for whatever reason, they ARE and short of running a setup that hits 'em harder I don't see a solution. If I put any more pressure on them seating it's going to run the risk of damaging my press and it ain't worth that. Just to experiment a bit on the seating angle I may run a few cases through the Super Swage & bump them open a bit and see if it has any effect.

Yeah, they'll go fine with stock springs. As to seating, I have'nt had any problems at all with them. I do notice that they only seem to go flush or just a fraction south of flush in Winchester brass regardless of pressure applied. In all the ATK brass (CCI, Federal, Speer, etc.) mine seem to slide in and bottom out just as easily as everything else. Without actually measuring, I'd suspect the Win pockets just are'nt punched quite as deep. I should also qualify the "just as easily" comment by saying that all the brass I've tested the Wolf's through so far has been fully prepped including, primer pockets cleaned so that may account for the ease of priming.

Best I can tell, the only issues involve the new, nickle-plated Wolf SPP. It is not going to take too much to make them reliable, just a little more "whap" than a RPFPS (in a Glock) has. I've always ran the LS lightened steel firing pins but I have one of Glockworx skeletonized steel models to try as soon as some other parts come in. I have to say, it does really look good. The GW model is a few grains heavier than the Lightning Strike and just a fraction shorter overall but with the actual firing pin extended a fraction longer. Just in a side-by-side visual comparison, the GW model could build a little more speed despite the few grains more weight and reach the primer with a little more authority. This may prove to be a good combination.

WOLF primers have a slightly shallower cup. This requires that you adjust your press to assure good seating of the primer. With my 550 press, I need to push a bit harder on the upstroke to seat the primer well. With a 1050, you can make a slight adjustment to the primer setting station to get the same result. I have had 2 light strikes in 5000 rounds using this method. The problems I've had with the new Wolfs are not related to seating. I don't know if the nickle plate has anything to do with it but it's no mystery, they have been changed and are now just plain harder to light. An OEM Glock trigger setup will fire them with no problem and I'm sure other OEM triggers will do fine with them as well. Using the RPFPS in a Glock is another animal. Switching to a new 4 LB Wolff FPS improved the failure rate to 2 out of 50 over the older version of the same spring but bottom line is, the present version of the SPP is not going to be reliable running a tuned Glock trigger. I will use the batch up running an OEM FPS minus a few coils at the expense of not "quite" as good a trigger but if I stray from Federal or Winchester again have the "KICK ME" sign ready.

There's a problem with the die. I've ran over 30,000 pieces of 9MM, .40 and .45 through mine without issue. As someone above said, seems there were some mis-marked dies that got out some time back and maybe you got one.

As said above, no problems. Matter of fact, if you've encountered issues with thin brass (i.e., .38 Special R-P brass), the U-Die is the cure.

Well, I shot round #2 with the new Wolf SPP today in the G-34 and it ain't pretty. I thought maybe my RPFPS had weakened so I checked all the mechanics of the gun for cleanliness, rough spots, etc., all perfect. Installed a new Wolff RPFPS and gave the Wolfs another test of 50 rounds, had two more FTF. As usual, Winchesters and Federals ran without a hitch. It ain't the gun and it ain't the seating...what it is, is...these are just hard primers. No doubt a stock setup will run 'em but with a tuned trigger, I can't depend on 'em.

Well, the results are in and it wasn't the FP spring going soft. Checked all the mechanics of the gun for cleanliness, rough spots, etc., all perfect. Installed a new Wolff RPFPS and gave the (new) Wolf SPP another test of 50 rounds, had two more FTF. As usual, Winchesters and Federals ran without a hitch. It ain't the gun and it ain't the seating...what it is, is...these are just hard primers. No doubt a stock setup will run 'em but with a tuned trigger, I can't depend on 'em.

Tuned trigger or stock?

You should have no problems with MG JHP's...they are very close to the same profile as the XTP. You'll find Silhouette is excellent for 9mm, very accurate in all bullet weights and zero flash indoors. FWIW, I load them at 1.10 OAL with standard pressure loads.

I'm finding this true as well. I loaded the test batches for this weekend half in Win and half in CCI brass. The CCI went below flush with no problem but "flush" is about all you get with Winchester. I note several people have mentioned problems seating the Wolfs but that has'nt been the case for me. So far, they slide in and bottom out with a slick feel akin to Federals. As for "crushing them home"...my bench is already high and press is on a strong mount so leaning into the handle from the shoulder is putting a lot of pressure on 'em. The ones I had a problem with were no doubt seated...I just hope the new FP spring does the job.

Or at the very least, "primers as they should be"......

Just to make sure, I checked the other boxes of the 5,000 new Wolf SPP I got in. Sure enough, all are nickle plated. I don't know if this change is why they're harder to ignite or not but there's no doubt, they are. If Federal ever catches up, I know what the cure is.

Glocks comprise the huge majority of my shooting nowadays but, that wasn't always the case. The "difference" feels entirely normal now as I've come to understand & become accustomed to them. It would be fair to say, I've even come to like them. That said, they're so radically different from the nice S/A style pull of a revolver or 1911 it makes for a significant transition for a lot of folks, myself included. My first outing with a Glock left me, well...embarassed.