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Way ahead of ya. We have not shopped on that day for over 15 years.

John, please tell me how (got a rule?) you can offer a reshoot, for anything other than immediately stopping the competitor for safety reasons. It's not about being a nice guy to the shooter who got fragged, it's about maintaining competitive equity for everyone. We don't offer reshoots when people slip and fall if they maintain muzzle discipline, we don't offer reshoots when people run into props --- this situation may not be any different. You are right on this Nik. There is no rule. When we have these soft interpretations it waters down the whole sport IMO. I would feel bad for the guy and try to be as empathetic as possible, but no reshoot. You simply can not exclude rule 8.6.4 from this. In order to do that you would first you have to come to the conclusion that a frag can never be an external influence. Well it certainly is an "external influence" if it came from another bay. And you simply cannot say with absolution that it did or didn't come from another bay. So you rule on the side of the shooter. You can always turn down the offer if you think the RO is being too soft and watering down the rules and bringing the whole sport down :roflol: WOW.

Nope --- 2.3.6 covers suspending all shooting until weather conditions improve, to keep us from playing in a lightning storm or tornado. And you know some of us would want to... I might have to arbitrate that call. Seriously --- slipping and falling isn't that common, I see maybe one instance a year, unless I'm at a particular mudbowl of a match. My point though is that if it's in any way shooter induced, there's not a rule in the book that allows for a reshoot to be nice. The work around would be to immediately stop the shooter --- if you can articulate a safety concern, then remedy the concern and require a reshoot. Of course you would --- but that's apparently not the case here..... I don't think you can say a fragg is shooter induced. Maybe the steel is pitted badly or at a wrong angle and you can't even say for sure it didn't come from another bay. Last year I got nailed pretty hard when we were reading the walk through. The only reason I stated 2.3.6 was to show that we do under certain conditions take weather and "other" things into account when running a match...............even helicopters.

No. but I wouldn't call for a reshoot if after the last shot was fired and a target fell to the ground either. It wouldn't affect the shooters ability to shoot the course at that point. Just like if you got fragged on the last shot.

Also, I remember at the 07 limited nats when our friends at shooting USA decided to go up in the police helicopter to get some film from up above,.......... there were quite a few reshoots after the chopper totally broke the concentration of shooters during the COF. Being fragged is way worse than that IMO.

O.K. --- so if a squall moves through and rains on a couple of competitors, do they get a re-shoot? They didn't get to shoot the same course of fire. If a competitor slips and falls -- is that a reshoot? If the range master orders bags applied to targets for the last squad of the day, should they all get a re-shoot when it dries up? If a competitor shoots down a popper with five rounds --- is that a reshoot? The popper might not have been properly adjusted.... As much as I sympathize with the shooter --- you just can't offer a re-shoot in this instance, unless you stop the shooter right there because you're worried about safety. If the shooter finishes the stage, consult the rulebook for guidance --- some of my questions are actually covered by the rulebook and provide a pretty good guideline for appropriate RO action that is fair not only to the shooter, but to the rest of the competitors as well.... Maybe. 2.3.6 (I understand that this rule if for the RM but it does show flexibility for weather conditions ect.... "OTHER CONDITIONS") This is a judgement call and I'm offering a reshoot based on 8.6.4. Being fragged in the head with blood coming out would qualify as an "external influence" in my opinion. Now slipping and falling and moderate rain is common and is par for the course and I am not offering up the ridiculous. However, we are not talking about something that is all that common (happens way more to the folks standing around than it does to the shooter and most of the time does not draw blood). If the RM wants to tell me not to give reshoots for this before the match then fine. But I'm calling for a reshoot otherwise. Plus if this was happening during this stage with any kind of regularity I would want to fix the problem and force mandatory reshoots or if that was not possible throw the stage out.

I'm offering a re-shoot in this instance. I would offer it the moment I call range is clear. A COF should offer everyone the same challenges to overcome. So unless everyone gets fragged in the head it is not the same COF. Also, I can't say weather the frag was from the plate or the stand I'm watching the gun and the other RO is watching his feet.

After all theses polls are done can I be in charge of the exit poll?

Welcome!!! I think a Springfield Trophy Match is awesome or a STI Trojan too. I don't think you can go wrong buying a 1911 and shooting it in the Single Stack or Limited 10 divisions for at least the first year or more. You will learn the game without sinking a ton of money in gear and the extra money you will save by not buying a high dollar limited or open gun you can spend on ammo. This will get you way farther down the road. It is all about rounds down range. Also, when you start shooting matches ask questions. You will find the folks in our sport are very forth coming and will always be willing to help. This forum is a wealth of info as well. Any question you have just do a search and you will undoubtedly find it. Tim

Singlestack, if you run will you promise to take singlestacks away from people who have too many and give them to folks with too few????? Seems like a winning platform these days.

4 hour drive I would love to come shoot this but four hours hmmmmmmm????

Oh yeah!!!!!!!

enlightened????? you mean lightheaded.

Slightly different question, I have the CM 9 round 10mm mags and they seem to be under sprung. The lady at CM told me that the spring in them was the only one they had for that mag. Why wouldn't the power mag spring fit them? My gun runs great with the tripp 10mm and the regular wilson 47s but the bullet flips upright in front of the chamber with my CM 10mm mags.

Gamer!!!! I'll have to try that.

I hate that for you Hop. I'm very sorry to hear that.

That's awesome!!!!

Where is the best place to buy a bushmaster upper at a good price?

I might relax and shoot something else for a couple of months just to give the POG shooters a chance.... I will tell you one thing, this match is still the talk at the local matches. Expect more blue to invade the orange! Yeah, right.....blah,blah,blah. same old crap. Just like that SS you cling to as state of the art. Yeah, after 30 revisions from the original. bring an honest original as designed SS. no fancy sights, safety, magwell, beavertailed, precision machined SS weapon and I will shoot a first generation POG and see who gets left in the dust!!!! Thanks for the support Andy, I was actually just trying to keep up with you! I think the SMACK has officially started! Bill W. BIll, Bill, Bill,......I realize how frustrating it must be to shoot a POG, but that is no reason to lash out in desperation. I mean come on.........this is the equivalent of someone who runs their gun dry and just throws the gun at you. So, I would like to take this opportunity to help end your pain and invite you to shoot a 1911. It takes courage to see the truth, and this apparent desperation is telling me you have started to recognize the horror that is the POG. I have you back buddy. I will help you any way I can to end this painful addiction. Here is the number to the GSA (glock shooters anonymous) they can help and they have chapters throughout the US. I'm sure one is not too far for you. Here is their numbers (800) GUN-JUNK or (800) END-PAIN. Good luck Bill and call me soon, Your understanding friend, Tim

I have no doubt that Bill will kick some butt since there will be a bunch of other POG shooters there. Also Andy thanks for your concern for us SS stack guys, I'm glad you understand how hard it is to carry all that lumber and cash back home. But when you shoot a SS it just comes with the territory.

I just hope that the POG shooters weren't too embarrassed by their poor performance.....expected poor performance.....against the single stack guns that they register to shoot single stack for Round II, and thus we won't have anybody to ridicule. Then again, if you are willing to step out in public after strapping on a Glock, nothing is really going to embarrass you. Oh maaaannn......the trash talk...........the trash talk.

North Tennessee Practical Shooters is hosting it's second annual Hillbilly Classic match. This is a production/Single stack only match. Match is limited to the first 100 shooters. This is a 1 day match with 10 stages & chrono. It is a Cash pay back & trophy match, plus random drawing prize table!!!!!!! A great tune up for the SS nats!! April. 10th RO's shoot. April 11th every one else. Info and app. will be up soon here: http://www.ntps.org or http://www.tnsection.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ42ChFJiaw...feature=related Some adult language but very funny.

SS nats. Hmmmm. That's a major I've never been to. This could be the year. Yeah, I could see that happening. Why not? I'm up for it. You convinced me bro. Cool. I have never been either. I'm really looking forward to it.

OK, I have officially put my limited guns away until after the SS nats. Nuthin' but SS for me until then.