J.Schmitt

Length of threads is going to better determin the need for a barrel clamp. No need to put a clamp on a Benelli.

They had that very thing. It mounted to the bottom of the tube, but it only fed you one round at a time. The rounds were held in with a bearing system. You taped it forward and it kicked a shell out into your hand. Someone around here must still have one.

I would not shy away from buying a used m2 or m1 Benelli. I have bought 2 used, a m1 and a vinci. It is real difficlult for most people to wreck a shotgun. Many hunters will scuff them up and feel they are ruined. They dont put them through half of what we do. Shotguns can handle 10's of thousand of rounds. Jay

sure you can try a knock off. Does that company support the sport. Did they put the work into development. Purchase a quality product once and you won't have to replace it. Jay

You may also have trouble at you local club with shooting the 9mm and being allowed to compete for score. Most all 3 gun requires a rifle round and usually list a .223 minimum cal.

throw a want to buy on the classifieds section, I bet someone has one they would consider selling. I'm keeping mine. Jay

I thought you had to plug your shotgun at Blueridge. It can only hold 8 in tube. If you load more after start, you're bumped to Open. You do have to have it plugged. If it can hold more than 8 at any time you are breaking the rules.

I don't care either way what the shotgun holds. I like going to Blue Ridge where it is capped at 8 in the tube. I like my tube that holds 10. As a match director for The Nordic Components Tactical Shotgun match, I have discussed with a few of our staff the idea of limiting the tube in the confines of a shotgun only match. We left it on the table for further discussion. I figure it makes a bigger deal in a shotgun only match that in a 3 gun match. There is always time to load and it always takes time, time when you pick up the shotgun before you start shooting or time while shooting. Jay Limited shooter

Many did when there were no 1- 4 plus scopes, throw lever down to 1x kinda killed it.

I was just commenting on the stage as I read it and with what my understanding was from a prior Andy Horner post which read, "There is a rule change for the match allowing, but not requiring, the reholstering of a loaded pistol. The exact wording is not complete, therefore the rules have not been "officially" changed on the match website." And Jim, good point, for some it may be an issue.

Could change, but thought, without going back and reading the beginning of the tread, that there may be some re holstering. I would think it could eat up some time to run it twice, but hey, wait and see, nothings in stone.

Thats right. And I tell those douches that shout out that they pay my salary. "Sales tax don't count".

I decided to browse over the stages to see whats up for this year. I assume that this is an area where we will be reholstering pistols and running safety on a hot slung rifle. Stage 7 "Upon entering each room, the pistol targets in that room must be engaged before rifle targets are engaged through the windows. Abandon safe pistol in bucket, and safe rifle in barrel." I like it. Jay

crazy talk

Slight confusion on my part, I guess I was trying to say is that a rule to govern abandonment is needed. No ammo in the gun is a clear rule it seams in this case. So I am not suggesting a 'whatever' but affirming that a rule of no ammo in the gun, barring safety, is clearly stated. Jay

When the penslty is steep like a DQ it helps to channel caution for most. Some of course are just plain reckless. Some who havd been around a little while and have been DQ'd themselve operate within a greater scope of caution/safety. I have had to deal with speed abandonment this year with all 3 guns. Many shooters are throwing them into the dumps and not treating them as if they were loaded, and some are loaded. Respect for the lethality of the gun has for some been replaced with a desire for pure speed. I attribute some of this to newer shooters watching, on the range and on TV and youtube, experienced competitors move fast. Or what they attribute as fast which may actually be deliberate skill. So while none of us want that situation to happen to us and end our match I think the rules cover the infraction with no other explanation or addittion needed. Jay

not totally up on the zen thing, if zen is a paint brush, I am more of a hammer.

JP, and your correct that you need a few other parts, its a system and not just 1 part.

Pumpkin pie season is upon us, my favorite.

The DPMS tri gun of old had an outstanding prize table, as do so many matches today. They always had a wide distribution of high caliber shooters representing the divisions. All the division winners got a check for 3000 dollars. I think the last year it was held it was 4000. Maybe Kurt can confirm that. Now I fully understand that putting cash on the prize table is a different animal then gathering prizes from sponsors. Part of my point is that you had a lot of guys going for those big paychecks. All divisions were well cared for, in part I suppose because they hsd a full time employee working on it. I put out 3 prize tables for the NORDIC Comp shotgun match and it is a headache. Trying to do 5 tables has to be massive work. I have also seen the 4 smaller divisions not represented well at the prize table and have considered jumping from limited at times. I appreciate the directors who work hard to run represented prize tables. JJ as a match director has seen the unbalance and has choosen a different method, with their massive prize table at RM3G, shooters can chose to compete for the big prizes. I truely believe most shooters dont pre factor their finish in a match and decide what division to try. Jay

You can shoot those with a dot. And you probably would not want to shoot 12 inch plates at 100 yards on 6x anyhow. Time to find a match with some longer ranges so you can make that 1-6 work for you. Jay

Take a run over to www.mn3gungroup.org and look at our rules. Our stage dq info may give you some more options. For some reason I cant cut and paste. There seems to be so much new stuff on the forum for rules and safety. I would hold a RO brief and outline expectations on those topics that really come out and show themselves on a particular stage. Example, on natural terrain, the 180 may be difficult to define. Work over in advance how the floating 180 will work. jay

You will need to plug dq's into you scoring program and test the numbers. 300 even 600 will still afford that shooter stage points. Jay

I too have had problems with consistent starts. Our solution was to implement 1 start position for shotguns and rifles. That being low ready, pointed at the designated marker. This has removed a good deal of asking what to do by the shooter. We use a orange cones or a spray painted spot. I agree that port arms is for parades. Port arms by by its definition points the muzzle over the berm thus creating a possible safety issue that does not need to occure. Jay

And don't skimp on the mount either. jay