Tom D

yes it is, the setup crew is using the rooms in the basement.

That was a mistake in the final reporting. Lee was not DQ'ed. He was bumped to open for grip tape on the trigger guard. It has been changed on the score sheet. The change is not up yet. But it has been brought up to Manny, so it will get done. I was the RM, I did not see the final results untill I got home. I had a great time. It would have been better if I spoke about 5 languages. There was about 150 foren shooters. The countries that were represented that I know of were, Jamaca, Barbados, Brazil, Russa, Ukraine, Germany and the Czech Republic. There might have been more but I am not sure. According to what Frank told me about a few of the production shooters, they will be fighting for the top spot at the World shoot! Tom

Titegroup and Moly coated bullets are not a good combination. It will smoke quite a bit. What other powders do you have? Tom

What is Univeral Ammo? Universal Ammo is Manny's new company making loaded ammo at Universal shooting Academy.

Manny and Frank are doing the stages. I'm not sure if it will happen or not. Tom

There is not going to be a chrono in the match, but, the steel will be calibrated using USPSA rules. Major/ minor will not be reconized because steel scores the same either way (1kd=1A). I will have a chrono there for the calibration ammo. Tom

Hi, Registrations are comming in, Manny and Frank are finalizing the stages. We should have 10 stages about 300 rounds. I just made 150 more so we have that many. We are going to run the match weater we have 75 or 250. It is not going to be canceled so, make plans, come on down to Florida! Tom

To clarify, as long as it is factory produced, 7's and 8's are ok. Cool!

Open wheel division??? The way they did it CO? Tom

9.4.2 Each hit visible on the scoring area of a paper no-shoot will be penalized the equivalent of twice the point value of a maximum scoring hit. Tom

I should have addressed the second part also. It is possiable to have no score and recieve a zero for the stage. After the start siginal, say you had a squib on the 1st round, no time, no score. It is a zero for the stage. Tom

You can stand down up untill the start signal. If you are loading and you find your gun broke, you have not started yet. "Are you ready" is a question, just reply NO. If pressed, just keep replying no. Eventually the RO should figure out you are not ready and tell you to ULSC and go fix your gun. Tom

Short answer is Yep! It aplies to all COF's if that is what the walkthrougs says is the start position. Tom

Cool! Bring them all! Tom

Many years ago, when certain rules in fact read differently concerning targets - AND, the scoring lines (A-B-C-D) were commonly printed on BOTH sides of the targets (i.e., white and tan sides) - I did design several stages along a "Friend or Foe" concept. The target presentations were always symetrical so as to ensure everyone had the same challenge ... The difference being that one did not know whether white/tan was friend/foe or foe/friend until after the start signal. IF there were still scoring zones printed on the white sides of the targets, I THINK one could still get away with this - given the wording of 4.1.2 ... However: Given the engrained mindset in our sport of White=NS, I suspect it could be argued those shooting white foe / tan friend would be at a slight disadvantage to those shooting the traditional way. I don't think so, 4.1.2.1 says that the scoring paper must be a typical cardboad color. Tom

Sorry Tom, you're a bit off on this one. 2.1.2 and 2.1.4 cover construction of the stage, not competitor actions. If the club sets up the course to not allow the shooter to shoot at the side berms, maybe covering the wall or berm in no shoots, but the competitor still shoots there, there is no DQ. I mean intentionally, not an AD while loading or moving, just a plain shot. While the course design should take these angles into account, there is no rule allowing for a penalty if the shooter doesn't. Some clubs try to enforce this by saying a shot into the sideberm is a DQ. There is nothing to support that absent something else occurring. I don't see anywhere I said anything about competitor actions. 2.1.2 and 2.1.4 only deals with setting up the course. If the club has a policy against shooting in a side wall. there is nothing in the rules to prevent it. I said nothing about DQ'ing anyone. I was only addressing a "local" rule. As far as the local rules go, I hate to say it but I'd rather have fewer clubs abiding by the rules than more clubs doing what they want. This is a topic that has come up several times in my area. There are some clubs that have legitimate desires to restrict shooter actions. Unfortunately I can't support some of the solutions they want to use. In this case, I don't really see anything that goes against the rules to do group bagging/unbagging. I think it's a rather silly way to go about business but I don't know that it isn't allowed either. The question I would ask is what they would do if you just tried walking around with your gun holstered. Would they DQ you for something? Or would they just ask you to leave the range and not come back. As far as USPSA needing clubs more than clubs need USPSA. There are a lot of intangible benefits clubs get from USPSA that go beyond money. Most clubs I know have active shooters that provide a great deal of service to the host club, new props, targets, maintanence, enthusiastic support, publicity from media... Even beyond this we provide a basis for many ranges to justify their existence. In some jurisdictions a club with no LE and no Competitions occurring is viewed unfavorably. TDZ. If you think clubs are just going to do what we say because we say it...well good luck with that. Every good USPSA club requires someone to be in contact with the host club. Explaining what we do, why we do it and why the rules need to be followed. There are reasons for all the rules. Explain why they should be followed. If we take the "stick your head in the sand" or "take my ball and go home" approach we will be short clubs to shoot at.

Linda is correct on this. Rules 2.1.2 and 2.1.4 dictate safe angles of fire. If the club decides that is is unsafe to shoot into the sides,(mabye that berm is low, has too many rocks) there is nothing to prevent this. When you shoot indoors you can not sfely shoot into a wall. There is nothing in the rules to say you must allow it. It makes it a litle harder to do course design but thats all. Tom

In the rule book look under definations, "droped gun" you will find this; Dropped Gun . . . . . . . . . . .(during the course of fire) Acondition in which a competitor loses control of their handgun. Loss of control does not require the handgun to land on the ground or other range surface or prop. It occurs anytime the handgun is no longer in control of either hand, even if it is trapped against part of the body or caught in midair. the last sentence is the reason it is a DQ. Tom

Application.doc I am plesed to announce the North American Nok down Steel Championship. It will be at Universal Shooting Academy in Frostproof, FL on Decemember 3rd-5th. the match level is approved. There will be 10 USPSA style field courses from 20 to 40 rounds. The courses have not all been drawn up yet, but we are planning on 25 to 30 rounds+ average. You can shoot the match in one day unless you want to shoot 2 divisions, then you will need to shoot it 2 days. The cost is $150 for one division or $275 for two divisions. The website is www.nokdownsteel.com. It is not up right now but will be shortly. Jim Thompson has generosly aggreed to do this for us. You will be able to do the app online and pay there, or print it out and mail it to me. The payout will be cash based on division and class. the break down will be on the site. Staff and some shooters on Friday, shooting on Sat and Sunday. Any questions my email is tom@drazymetalworks.com, Manny's is eb@protechco.com. I will be handeling staff requests, please send them to me. Thanks Tom

I might help if he shares the "warm and fuzzy" feeling! Tom

I have one, I did check with John before I had it done. I rattles around the box! I have a STI tritoped slide and it weighs about 39oz. I also checke with him about the Mitchall Custom Guins right hand mag reliese. Good to go on that also. Tom

Make sure your guns are sighted in very good. He has some small targets to shoot at! I don't know where he got them, they are 2 and 4 inch biathalon type targets. Tom

Tim (TRUBL) are you going to be there?

I don't know how many people he has yet, but here is an email contact. Bill Starkey, billst@grand-island.com. If anyone needs an application, I have a copy. I will be there as a shooter and sponsor. Send me an email to tom@drazymetalworks.com. Tom

Good luck Jim. I can't wait fro the review. ( Or grill and flip!) Tom