Chuck Anderson

If cost is a concern you can get away with cheap paint if you use darker colors for steel. One local clubs paints the steel different colors on each stage. Brown, yellow, green, blue. The cheap paint covers fine as long as it isn't white. That said I use only the good white stuff for my matches. One cost you probably aren't reflecting with rollers is the wasted paint that will dry over the day, or can't be used, and the damaged equipment over time. Rollers have a tendency to dry out with paint on them and become worthless. Get the spray.

Where are you seeing this dramatic increase in competitors that justifies splitting Revolver Division in half? I'm still hearing about area matches without enough Revo shooters to even recognize the Division as is. One match does not support a statement that participation is increased. Particularly since it's about the same as last year.

Yes there is, contact your Area Director He/she is part of the Board of Directors and can propose rule changes to the rest of the BoD to be voted on. that said I think Sarge is correct I don't think that request will go far, What Burgess said. +1 on Sarge's comment about it not likely to happen.

It wouldn't have to be an outlaw match. It would just take a simple rule change authorizing the 2 classes.8 shot is here for good. It is a mistake that needs to be accepted. People have purchased equipment in reliance of the 8 shot rule. That fact is what saved Revolver and Limited 10 as divisions. Strader wanted them gone. What needs to also be addressed is the competitive advantage people shooting the single stack get over those that do not or can't. A national championship should be decided on a "flat table". Anyone with inside knowledge of the stages would also have an advantage as to which gun to use. You can guess that it is 8 round oriented but one traveling across the country shouldn't be required to bring 2 guns and ammo to make a decision that those with inside knowledge would already have. The best solution would be a stand apart Revolver nationals and a rule change which, unfortunately, bifurcates the few revolver shooters there are. I am sure those benefiting from the current situation do not see a problem It's not a class change. It's a Division change. We can only change division rules every two years so it couldn't change before 2016. The only way it would change is if Revo participation increased enough to support two separate divisions which is unlikely. I really don't see the BOD voting to split the smallest division in two.

Ya, Pete's pretty much the freaking MAN when it comes to setting up three gun matches. He's the reason USPSA MG Nationals doesn't suck any more.

Donovan. I know Pete has been busy putting the Nationals together for the last few weeks. He's got a 3GN Pro Series match this weekend and then has to build the 3GN Western Regional at his range in a couple weeks. I'm guessing he'll get busy on the W3G after that. But I'll bug him this weekend when I see him to get busy.

I think the AMU guys brought out some .338 Lapua the first year they shot. That went away real quick the next year. The other issue is capacity. There are normally more targets than bolt gun magazines hold. (Except Armalite's new one.).

Bolt gun? I specifically went with a semi for this. The targets are so close to each other it's nice to not have to manipulate anything and just bang away on the targets.

I have a TSS M1 and a Taran M2. I tried both out earlier this year to compare them. They both pretty much shoot the same. I found I was a few tenths faster to break 8 clays with the TTI gun. And more consistent. The stippling is excellent. Great grip. The biggest advantage, and I don't know that others aren't doing it now, is Taran's accuracy work. I sent him a 26" gun. He couldn't get it to shoot the way he wanted so he swapped the barrel at my request. He's still not happy with the point of aim. It shoots an inch and a half left at 50yard for me. Even though Taran isn't happy I'm ecstatic. The reason I can tell where it's shooting with that much precision is because it puts them all in one ragged hole. I thought I missed twice till I walked up to the target. And that's with just a fiber bead, no rifle sight.

We use MGM flash targets. Duct tape a couple 6" sticks to the front legs in line with where the plate is. On the back we use the bigger sticks taped to the flash card. You can shoot them without a light just bracketing the marker lights. The flash card stick shows up really well when it pops up. Easier to see than in the daylight.

I sight my lasers in as far out as I can get them. Normally 50 yards on the handgun and whatever the rifle optic is zeroed at. On the handgun you may need a bit of lower light conditions to get that far out. The rifle is easy. I just put the dot in the center of the reticle, when it's pointed at something the right distance away. The closer you zero a laser the more you have to worry about what Mark is talking about. If you sight it in close, say 10 yards, the dot will be off at 20, and way off at 40 and further. Zero at 50 and you're within your offset all the way out to there and probably out to 100ish.

First year I shot I did not use lasers on anything. I watched a lot of guys using them kick my butt. I still don't think a laser is a good pick on the shotgun for the match but for the rifle and pistol it's a lot quicker. Some of the pistol shots are a ways out there. The laser made it really easy to get hits last year. It helps...a lot. You should be able to illuminate everything that needs to be lit up with a 100 lumen light. There will be some targets a ways out but they will have illumination on them already.

The long ones are pretty big and there's plenty of dust kicked up if you miss on them. At least for the ones straight out. They've had some off to the right in the grass that suck. Not calling misses there. The longest target is the easy one size wise. The ones closer in have been smaller and definitely the harder ones. But who knows what Travis is going to put out this year. He's been playing around with precision long range stuff so it might get a bit harder this year.

Long ones are 900 ish. Short ones are 725 or something like that.

The last couple years yes. A few years ago they had a stage on the hill as you drive into the range you had to hike to and back from. The current range layout isn't bad. The difficulty isn't in having to carry your gear, it's in not being able to get help from anyone if something breaks or goes wrong. Last year in Tactical my bolt latch broke on my Benelli. If I had been shooting Trooper, I'd have been SOL.

Jerry is probably going to be shooting the 3 Gun Nation Pro Series match that weekend. Lena and Kay are both running in the ladies series and he's in the Pro Series. I'm guessing Jerry figured being with his family was more important than another Revo Nationals title. At least that's my guess why he's not coming.

Didn't make the match this year because of the 3GN match the same date. I did have some issues last year with one of the staff in particular. I spoke with Sheldon about it at the time. He was receptive and as far as I know dealt with it at the time. General rule is if something is wrong, deal with it at the match, not on the internet after the match. Vince Pinto over at IPSC really harps on this whenever anyone complains after a match. If you didn't address it at the time, and were aware of it, you really lose a lot of credibility when complaining later. If you think bringing something wrong to the attention of the match staff will result in you being undeservedly DQ'd, avoid that match. I would never go to a match where I thought the MD would DQ for bitching. Not to say that we shouldn't call attention on issues after the match, just do it during the match as well. I will say one thing about RO's/CRO's/MD's etc. Three gun shooters are a bunch of A-type dudes for the most part and we're all pretty independent. For the most part we make decisions all the time. A lot of MD's really like RO's that can think for themselves. This can be a really bad quality in an RO at a major match. Most of the bad decisions, hard feelings, thrown out stages and just flat out stupid calls at matches I've seen have been made at the RO level. An RO took it upon themselves to decide how Stage A should be run. Then that information isn't communicated to the RM...or anyone else. With a gap between the staff and main match like they had at the TXMG this can really have an effect. Decisions made two weeks before aren't documented and change by the time the main match comes around. The RO should be making safety calls and all, but if there is a question about how this stage should be shot, a penalty applied, or something else like that, the RM should be consulted. Both to make sure it doesn't conflict with the rules, but also so he can make sure that change is documented for all future competitors, and to make sure no one else shot it without that advantage or disadvantage.

50s at 3400 do a LOT more damage than 77s at 2600. No doubt, but I think it has more to do with velocity than whether it's an FMJ or a HP. That comment was related to a ban on HP rounds on steel.

What about it? .308 is a rifle. Minimum safe distance under the rules is 147 feet. Just like every other rifle. 308 rifle will actually do less damage because the velocity is less. I've seen steel shot at 10 yards with a .308 and not even a dimple.

My understanding of the tracker is the shot column is similar to a regular load but the wad is more visible and had a bit more weight to travel with the shot more. Prairie Storm is how to take out spinners. I don't see any reason the Tracker wouldn't be legal. It also wouldn't work as well as most other options.

The arrogance of this post is confounding to me. To think that someone who hasn't shot a match in three years, I'm guessing has never been on the BOD, or even section leadership. Has probably never even run a match, since I'm sure if he had we would have heard about it by now. To make a flat out declaratory statement that a policy he doesn't agree with is BS and that the BOD is wussy-footing around. Wow, there's arrogance here, but not from the BOD. Going back Revolver has never been a large factor in USPSA or even IPSC. Back before moon clips were popular, and the 625 was the only gun chosen by match winners. Back when COF's had lower round counts and there was no 8 shot arrays. Revo still didn't dominate and we still didn't get the 10's of Millions (I'd like to see an actual citation on that number by the way. I'm betting you're way off as far as Revo's that would make any sense whatsoever for competition) shooters coming it for Revo. Promoting Revo as an entry division is a horrible idea. It's the hardest division to shoot. Reloading your way through a 32 round course whether you're running 6's or 8's is always going to be difficult and challenging. More so if you're trying to come up with all the ammo from speed loaders. The people who shoot Revo do so because they want to, not because it's the only gun they have access to (almost always). As for making all arrays 6 shot neutral. NFW. You want the membership to demand Revo is eliminated? That's the way to do it. And the arrogance of thinking that the smallest group of shooters in the sport should dictate the target arrays to 99% of the other competitors is also quite, well to use your word, confounding. As for the major match numbers so far, I'm not really surprised. The new rule just went into effect Feb 1. I doubt many people have had a chance to even give Revo a try, let alone want to sign up for a major match with it yet. If I had to guess you'll see a moderate increase in the number of classifier scores submitted in Revo this year. I'm not expecting a huge jump. By next year when Smith has some 929's actually on the market and Ruger releases their new competition revo at SHOT next year you'll probably start seeing a bit more activity. We also need to hit the ICORE crowd and let them know about the change. It's not a huge group but it's bigger than all the Revo shooters in USPSA right now.

Courses with more trigger pulling than anything else are going to have higher hit factors. Think about all the things you do on a course other than pulling the trigger, draw, move, transition, reload. The less of that, the higher the hit factor. A stage with 16 rounds, maybe a step of movement and wide open targets will have a hit factor. The same 16 rounds separated by 50 yards of running, not so much. Things that slow down the shooting will result in a lower hit factor. Partial targets, targets at distance, steel, movers or activators you have to wait on, lots of movement etc. The lower the hit factor, the more important hits are. On a 1 hit factor stage, you have 5 seconds to get an A zone hit. On a 10 hit factor, you have .5 seconds. If I'm running on a low hit factor stage and I see a miss on the last target, I'm loading if needed and making it up. On a high hit factor stage probably not a good idea. The more you shoot the better feel you get for what a low and high hit factor stage is. I don't do the math when I look at a stage to decide how I'm going to shoot it. I just know if it's a lot of fast rounds, I need to emphasize speed. If the shooting is slow, I need to focus more on accuracy.

I'll give my point of view. I voted in favor of the change to 8 shot. Of the actual emails I received from members the majority was in favor of the change. Which was about 5 in favor and 3 against. Not exactly a ground swell of support either way. I know other AD's received input as well from the members. I believe most of them voted they way they thought the majority of their members wanted them to. That said, I would have voted for it even if it was 10 to 1 against. The current format was not working. The other suggestions have major issues in the way they were suggested that would not work with the rest of the USPSA rule book. I was not about to change the way 99.5% of our competitions are set up to accomodate a tiny, tiny segment of shooters. For me it came down to a decision of three options. Do nothing and let the division continue to stumble along, only being recognized at half or less of the major matches (Area and Nationals). Give 8 minor/6 Major a try and see if it works. Or kill the Division for good. For all the complaining about how awesome 6 Major was/is/still should be, the division didn't draw shooters. Not at the Local, Area or National level. At least not in my area. I get a report on all the activity quarterly in Area 1. When I say 99.5% of the shooters, I'm being generous. If you took out Classifier matches, which seem to be the time when most folks break out their Revos in the NW there were only a small handful that shoot revo. Basically I could count them on both hands. Comparing this to the Affordable Care Act where we passed it to see what was in it is inaccurate and disrespectful. This was a discussed for over a year by the BOD and put out for member comment as well. There were no surprises in it. We knew exactly what we were voting for, at least I did. If you don't like it fine. I don't agree with every decision the BOD makes either. I very seriously doubt it will change though. If it does I doubt it will be to any revolver shooters preference. My next vote, if this doesn't work, is to eliminate the division.

Looks good for Tactical to me. Don't worry about the Remington. I ran one for a couple years out at Tri County and never felt held back by the gun.

Line was uttered by Travis Gibson last year when he and Wyatt were capping badgers on the range.