BamBam Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 Not only is there cost savings associated with 9mm brass, but not having to run around picking it up helps your match concentration. The shorter OAL (now) may make for easier feeding, and the shorter cases may help ejection. The high pressure may also be great for comp performance. Hard to say for sure since development was restricted with the old ruling, but I am sure the inventive minds of IPSC shooters will figure some great ways to use it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 will there be any restricition of bullet weight? i.e. ipsc 120gr min lynn (Edited by lynn jones at 10:34 am on Nov. 22, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 lynn, I think they simple dropped the old BOD ruling...so, whatever it says in the actual rule book...well, those are actually the rules again. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 Lynn, I tried to answer your post on the USPSA forum but the did the switch. For once I'm 2 steps ahead instead of 6 behind. I built a new open gun this season in 9mm. Runs great and now I don't have to explain the legality of my ammo every match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 chriss, what weight bullet are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 124 FMJ's. Now that we have a reasonable rule I'll be switching to JHP. I shot Some Zero 121's that shot great, might give them a try too. So many options now that the head has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 Hi guys, The USPSA has posted an official statement on the subject here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 Major 9 is good for three reasons. One, cheap brass. Two, Someone interested in an inexpensive Open gun can now buy an EAA/Tanfoglio competition frame kit and top end, w/compensator for under a grand with some thrifty shopping techniques. Three, you van call CDNN investments and buy factory Tanfoglio pre-ban 9x19 magazines for $29.99 THEN call Brownells and buy plus 3 mag bases for 12 bucks. Roughly 19 rounds in a mag for under $45.00. Someone interested in starting out in Open Division can buy competitive gear for under $1500.00. THATS what makes major 9 worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 The most amazing thing about this 9mm major idea is all the interest it is generating in the shooters. When we brought this up to our AD he said nobody but 1 or 2 guys were interested. I for one will be building a new 9mm gun and will sing songs of great joy at throwing away my brass when I'm done shooting. Live long and prosper the MAJOR 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnia1911 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Cheap brass? When everyone is shooting 38 super/supercomp brass, 9mm is cheap. Once it becomes popular, the manufacturers will raise the price. It's the supply and demand principal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2alpha Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I think it's about time this happened but 9mm brass is only cheaper used. New it is about the same as super. The difference is you can by tons of 9 brass cheap. I really doubt that a few USPSa shooters will buy enough to bring the price up. I wondering if the TZ, P9, CZ, type frames will hold up any better with major 9 than they did with major 9x21 or super? Where 9mm really shines is with steel loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 do you think the influx of 9mm will force the price of 38 super brass up? just thinking out loud, again. lynn jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbear38S Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Why would it? The only people I can see shooting 9mm major would be those who get free brass in the first place like LEO often do. I have yet to see any suggestion of benefit with 9x19 major except cheap brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 I am with kbear38S. Frankly, I don't think 9mm major will make much of a splash until the major makers and/or big dawgs start promoting it, and I don't see that happening real soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianH Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 I think a lot of people who go to 9mm maj. are going to find out that is sucks and drop it. (JMO) I shot 9X21 for 8 years and never really felt comfy with the pressures....and I felt like I was beating the crap out of my gun. No, if anything, I would think .38 Super brass would get cheaper, with more people going to 9X23 and Super Comp and TJ....sales going down and companies wanting to move brass....(doesn't do anything for me shooting Super Comp....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 I don't think you'd see the price go down, (but anythings possible) but I do think 9 major will become popular for people using guns that require the short OAL. People shooting CZ's,P9's, some of the Glocks, already chambered for 9mm will probally will take advantage of it. 38 Super has been the king for such a long time that I doubt you'd see any top shooters switching to 9mm as what would the advantage be? A new shooter may go the 9mm route for reason of cost, but you would probally find they would switch to super eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 Quote: from BrianH on 10:57 pm on Dec. 27, 2002 I think a lot of people who go to 9mm maj. are going to find out that is sucks and drop it. (JMO) LOL LYNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 I'm with kbear38s, 9mm major will probably not catch on unless someone big gets sponsored into one. And I would not like to be him or her. To much of a risk to take, with guys like TGO and TJ about, to mess around. The likes of the 9x23 etc still have not knocked 38Super of the big seller lists. So don't panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Lynn, The laws of economic would suggest that the price for super brass would not go up. The only thing I can would be if 9mm became so popular that super brass makers dropped out for lack of sales...which would leave fewer suppliers (less competition...although, less demand as well). Unlikely though. Starline, for example, makes brass in less popular calibers that is similar in price to the Super brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Chiavacci Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 I don't think it will have any effect on super cost. I do think 9mm major is going to take off regardless of whether or not top shooters adopt it. If I build a new open gun, not likely as I have 3 already, it would be in 9mm major. I would never pick up brass again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Gooch, If your not bending over to pick up your brass what will you do for exercise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 He'll move the beer to the bottom shelf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Chiavacci Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Rob, same as always....Not a damn thing, I wouldn't want to loose my girlish figure I have worked so hard to build. Chris.....only if the shelf was empty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Tony, I actually think you are right about major 9 catching on; Jan Barnes is contemplating building one; Ed Lott has had an additional 9x19 upper for his SV for several years and is building them for others in Area 8, and Rob Kamenski shot matches all the time w/ major 9x19 under the old rules by loading it long (in a P9 I think). BTW, anyone test out the latest lot of Hirtenberger L7 to hit the US? The old stuff we tried made major and generated well over 40,000psi pressure (we had it tested). At $109/thousand, factory major 9 seems feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 one problem you may run into is O.A.L. of the loaded rds. In the sti/sv mag's you need to run 1.240/50 to be reliable. the 9mm loads will be quite a bit shorter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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