Religious Shooter Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 What's the best way of running with a rifle/shotgun from right to left without breaking the 180? I saw a shooter running parallel to the 180 right to left using low ready... he broke the 180 as the muzzle was swinging to and fro. One stage had about a 30 yard run and the other had about a 20 yard run. When running from right to left I usually just put the buttstock on the crook of the elbow right below the bicep with my palm up. The muzzle is pointed downrange and the buttstock is captured in between the crook. That didn't really feel "fast" and felt really akward. So what's a better way of holding a long run while running right to left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I'm left handed, right to left works fine for me If all you are doing is moving with no shooting, do a total switch and carry the longgun left handed. When moving left/right I swich hands to carry it right handed and haul a$$... If the stage requires more shooting while moving off sided, I try to find a couple of sweet spots where I can see all the targets from, and use those with the above or below technique... You can also keep your hands where they are on the gun and cross your forearms, (strong arm under weak) pointing the muzzle uprange and moving. I use this to move short distances, 3-10 steps. learning to move/walk backwards while shooting will help. being a lefty I have had to develop these techniques because of all the anti-lefty stage designs I run into... jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I have some video on my blog (www.kellynealsblog.wordpress.com under the Rio Salado Rifle-Shotgun Match June 13 section) which has both left to right and right to left movement. It's easier to watch than explain but I dismount the rifle with the buttstock over my shoulder and keep the muzzle roughly pointed downrange. Run to where you are going to go and remount as you are getting there. Note I'm getting ready for the European Rifle Championship which will have very tight safety angles as opposed to a 180 so keeping the muzzle downrange is paramount over speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chendersby Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I will run with my rifle it like I do my pistol. Hold it with my strong hand only, stock lays under my forarm. this gives leverage to keep the muzzle pointed down range and relatively horizontal. Now if there is limited space or a long way to go I may also flip the rifle around and carry it left handed. Chances are I will be reloading the shot gun so there is I have no set way other than be concious of where the barrel is pointed which results in some strange upperbody twisting and side shuffle running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 (edited) I have some video on my blog (www.kellynealsblog.wordpress.com under the Rio Salado Rifle-Shotgun Match June 13 section) which has both left to right and right to left movement. It's easier to watch than explain but I dismount the rifle with the buttstock over my shoulder and keep the muzzle roughly pointed downrange. Run to where you are going to go and remount as you are getting there.Note I'm getting ready for the European Rifle Championship which will have very tight safety angles as opposed to a 180 so keeping the muzzle downrange is paramount over speed. Very cool. Thanks for the video and explanation. Also your blog is very informative-thanks for taking the time to do it! Keep us posted about European Rifle. Edited July 5, 2009 by Jadeslade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I roll my left thumb over the top of the barrel and hold the gun with just my left hand. The balance point works out well and I have a very solid grip on the gun. Allows me to face my body 90deg to the bay with the gun in front of me, parallel to my chest, barrel clearly facing dwonrange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_B Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 If I am only moving a short distance I will hold the rifle in my strong hand like Chris described. If I am moving a pretty good distance or over uneven ground I will grab the rifle with my left hand like Jason described. I feel I have better control and more room for error with the left hand hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithars Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 If it's long enough to make it worth sprinting then I'd just switch to left handed. I like keeping two hands on the rifle. I just feel safer and feel like I have better control if I stumble or something. Anything shorter than that I stay pretty much at the low ready and try to keep my body square to the targets. probably more side stepping than anything but you can turn your hips and run while still staying square with your upper body. If I feel like the muzzle is going to swing to much then I can move the rifle up a bit so the stock extends above my right shoulder with my right hand still on the pistol grip but about the same height as my right shoulder. That lets me use my left hand tighter to my body to control the swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 buddy and i were talkin about this very concept last night. if im going to run right to left (being right handed) and i know i wont shoot anything from point A to point B, im planning on switching hands (grab the rail with my right hand, stock with the left) and haul ass. then switch back to normal when i get to point B. im used to switching hands enough that i htink its faster for me to take a lil time and switch, then run full out, then try to hold the rifle downrange with my regular grip and run kinda funky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Rifle, pistol, or shotgun...if I'm running right to left I hold it solely with my right hand, pointed downrange, with my wrist rolled over such that my palm is facing downard. The guys at the AMU Junior camp taught that to the kids and it has worked for me with rifle and shotgun, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_KT Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Rifle, pistol, or shotgun...if I'm running right to left I hold it solely with my right hand, pointed downrange, with my wrist rolled over such that my palm is facing downard. The guys at the AMU Junior camp taught that to the kids and it has worked for me with rifle and shotgun, too. Very interesting technique. Any video/pictures of this in use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 (edited) Took this the other day of my 12 year old practicing with an A2 with .22 conversion... RunLeft.wmv Edited May 1, 2010 by High Lord Gomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwfuhrman Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 in a previous sport that myself and Corey participated in, switching hands and shooting with both was a necessity/requirement. Its second nature for myself that(with a long gun, not a handgun) if moving right to left, to just switch sides and shoot "weak" side, as with a long gun, I shoot either way just as accurately and quickly as I do with my strong side..... now pistol, that's a whole other story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benelli Chick Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 When moving for a decent distance from right to left, I leave my hands on the gun like JJ says and tuck my pistol grip in under my left arm. It keeps the gun almost perfectly perpendicular to the back berm. I don't like just hanging onto it with my right hand as if I were really fast (which I'm not) you can outrun your own arm and have it on or past the 180 behind you. Keep in mind, I'd rather take an extra second to be safe. I am not fighting for nanoseconds like the top guys are. When I didn't think about it once, I was VERY CLOSE(read OH CRAP!) to the 180 running with it held regularly, muzzle downish!! I've had RO's thank me for running right to left and not scare them by tucking it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchang0 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 This doesn't work for everyone, but if you have a short stock, you can keep both hands on the rifle (left on foregrip or grabbing front of magwell, right on fire control). The rifle will be roughly parallel to your left arm and the stock will float somewhere around your left armpit (or left hip, if you have a longer stock). You don't have to hold the rifle perfectly perpendicular to your direction of travel, just far enough away from the 180 that there's no question you're safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastmtnbiker33w Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I roll my left thumb over the top of the barrel and hold the gun with just my left hand. The balance point works out well and I have a very solid grip on the gun. Allows me to face my body 90deg to the bay with the gun in front of me, parallel to my chest, barrel clearly facing dwonrange. Dump 8 or 9 rounds as fast as you can downrange and put your thumb on that barrel without some sort of shroud on the barrel or glove. You can't tell me that it's not hot. Try doing that here in El Paso in the middle of the summer when your gun is already about 150 deg F before you start shooting. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Skip ahead to 2:08 in the video. I don't move my hands but just turned my body and sort of left the gun pointed down range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prc77 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Skip ahead to 2:08 in the video. I don't move my hands but just turned my body and sort of left the gun pointed down range. Todd I do like that technique. Very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 I keep the gun pointed down range and then rotate myself around the gun and carry it in my right hand. I reverse the move when I get to where I need to be. Video of me doing this at the Pan Am starts at 40 seconds. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbear_98 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 I will run with my rifle it like I do my pistol. Hold it with my strong hand only, stock lays under my forarm. this gives leverage to keep the muzzle pointed down range and relatively horizontal. Now if there is limited space or a long way to go I may also flip the rifle around and carry it left handed. Chances are I will be reloading the shot gun so there is I have no set way other than be concious of where the barrel is pointed which results in some strange upperbody twisting and side shuffle running. I do this exactly. The rifle tips over on its side and I can pump my arms to go faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 just hold the grip in the right hand out to the side and run with it pointed at the berm. If I have to shoot on the way or reload a shotgun, I do a crossover side step. Very stable and that gun is not going to break 180. Its not going to be flat out run fast but if shooting is done on the way or reloading a shotgun is needed it can be done plenty fast and is stable without the gun bounching all over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Like this. Even shot the next array of targets left handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootfastRunfaster Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 One handed while pointing it toward the berm has been the fastest for me. I will slow down and cross step if I have to engage anything on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 The cross over is the way to go for moving side to side when shooting and if done right the gun wont be bouncing around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyNo! Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Yup - :50-:54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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