Jaxshooter Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Just chronographed this load Monday 2-16-09. 230 gr Precision RN 4.0 gr Clays Fed LPP 1.250 OAL Gun 1 PC 625 171.3 PF Gun 2 Std 625 170.1 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizeks Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Every gun's a little different. I use 4.2 grains of Clays with 230s. My 625 doesn't need quite that much but Sam's old 25-2 won't safely make major with anything less. (By safely, I want at least 170 p.f. to accommodate variation in chronos, chrono technique, and chrono conditions.) Sounds like a good excuse to bye Sam a new gun!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revopop Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Every gun's a little different. I use 4.2 grains of Clays with 230s. My 625 doesn't need quite that much but Sam's old 25-2 won't safely make major with anything less. (By safely, I want at least 170 p.f. to accommodate variation in chronos, chrono technique, and chrono conditions.) Sounds like a good excuse to bye Sam a new gun!! Sam's a Limited shooter now, but I'm sure Carmoney won't have any problems coming up with excuses to buy new guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hello: I am reviving an old one here. I want to start loading up some rounds to try in my 625-6 5". I have some Clays, Tite Group and N320. The bullets I want to try are 200 grain Precisions and some Zero 230 JHP. I plan on using Federal primers and a OAL of 1.230". My question is what powder and bullet choice are most of you guys using? Anyone use Moly bullets for big matches? I appreciate any info you guys can give Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Hello: I am reviving an old one here. I want to start loading up some rounds to try in my 625-6 5". I have some Clays, Tite Group and N320. The bullets I want to try are 200 grain Precisions and some Zero 230 JHP. I plan on using Federal primers and a OAL of 1.230". My question is what powder and bullet choice are most of you guys using? Anyone use Moly bullets for big matches? I appreciate any info you guys can give Thanks, Eric For majors, I use the precision 230 RN over 4.0 Clays @ 1.240. Gives me a 170 pf. For local matches, I use Missouri 230 LRN over 4.0 Clays @1.240. Only thing I do between major and local is change the bullet. This is out of my 5" 625-4 Edited January 25, 2011 by 71Commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hello: I appreciate the info. I am now sorting my brass. I have some RP, Federal, Winchester and some CCI. Which brass works the best with Ranch moonclips? Looks like I need to get some 230 grain moly's now. I guess I will wait till I get the 625 first and try the loads out Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hell, I've been using the same pile of mixed brass for many years. Some of it is undoubtedly from that first batch of factory ammo I bought back in 1987 for the old 25-2. When the brass splits 1/4" or more, I pitch it. With Ranch moonclips (which is exactly what I use for .45 ACP) the brand of brass won't really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hello: I ended up sorting this brass since it was given to me and it came from a indoor range. There was some small primer brass in there and some other crap stuff as well. I sorted it out and that is what I ended up with. Amazing enough I have only found one piece of 45 brass that was split in that lot. Mike I will go with your advice and just shoot it all Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Amish 1 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I've been shooting 200gr Precisions over 4.2gr Clays this winter. They shoot fine but cut it close to 165PF. Definitely worthwhile chronoing them prior to a match. A few weeks ago I switched from 200gr to 230gr Precisions and it gives me a little more of a PF buffer at 4.1 gr powder. Still soft shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50GI-Jess Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Hi Guys, What amount of bullet jump do you guys get in your 625's 5", shooting major with either plated or FMJ's ? When shooting only 5 and measure OAL on the 6th. Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMM50 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I've never measured the increase in length but it's noticeable. Guessing 0.050" I'm shooting Berry's 200g and 180g round nose. Clays in the 4g range. I've tried using a U die form Lee. It's an undersized resizing die. No different. I'm using TZZ 89 and TZZ 89 Match brass (military and stiffer that normal) A friend also has the same situation with Remington nickel brass and different bullets. I've given up on trying to fix it. I sweat the corno stages. And any rounds that are not shot are put in the practice pile. As an aside. I have a 1911 45ACP built as a bulls-eye pistol. The gunsmith used range brass (junk!!) and it shoots 1/2" group at 25 yards. 45 ACP is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50GI-Jess Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Well, my 230 gr. plated jump from an COAL of 1.240" to about 1.260" on that 6th. round. Even so, they never drop below 168 in the chrono test. At 1.240" they chrono 171-172. Guess I may use the bayou bullet more. It acts like lead when reloading, but performs like FMJ's out of my 625. Jess Christensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Amish 1 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 As an aside. I have a 1911 45ACP built as a bulls-eye pistol. The gunsmith used range brass (junk!!) and it shoots 1/2" group at 25 yards. 45 ACP is amazing. Free ranging brass = my favourite (and only) brass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latech15 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 2.8 grains of clays under 230 bayou bullets feels awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hello: I don't think 2.8 grains of Clays will make major PF. I am not sure it will put a hole in the target It must shoot very soft though Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latech15 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 It doesn't make major, it does put holes in the target and yes, it does feel great. Not as great as 3.2 grains of 231 but it is much cleaner than 231 at those loads. We run outlaw matches where pf doesn't matter and if it has a cylinder it is in revolver class, whether it has ten rounds or 5 and no matter how many comps or dots you put on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) I shoot 4.3 of clays in my 5" 625, gives about 168 PF. The only downside is they're near 190PF in my 1911. Edited February 8, 2011 by cas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50GI-Jess Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Most quality bullets, both lead, plated and FMJ shoots pretty accurate in all my K and L frames. However when it comes to my 625's, which have different types of rifling, the ones with non sharp lands don't seem to like lead bullets very much. They lead up the bore a way too fast, and accuracy goes bad real fast. This rifling looks almost a little like polygonal type and has rounded edges on the lands. Seems to me, that the bullets don't get the right grip in the rifling, and skits through most of the bore. Does anyone have this same experience with 625's. Jess Christensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Rifling with rounded edges is worn out. You need a new barrel to fix it. Lead bullets will never shoot good in a barrel like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50GI-Jess Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Toolguy, No they come that way with this type of rifling. Looks more like polygonal than cut lands and grooves. Just never seen any S&W lead up so fast and so bad. Jess Christensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I have 3 625s. None of them came that way. Maybe the new ones are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I believe Jess is refering to the barrels that have rifling made with an EDM process rather than broach cut. The EDM barrels almost have a shot out appearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50GI-Jess Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Well, cant remember this type of rifling. Some say there are som with chemical etched rifling...yes; and some say no way etc. But back to the question though. Does anyone else have this problem too. Jess Christensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSWEAR Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) Toolguy, No they come that way with this type of rifling. Looks more like polygonal than cut lands and grooves. Just never seen any S&W lead up so fast and so bad. Jess Christensen Jess, I just picked up a new 625 yesterday and it is the same way, the sides of the lands look like they are about 45 degrees with no defined angles. I was trying to decide wether or not to use lead sice I had cleaning it out of a revo, looks like I may go straight to jacketed or plated. Edited February 17, 2011 by GSWEAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowrider Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Toolguy, No they come that way with this type of rifling. Looks more like polygonal than cut lands and grooves. Just never seen any S&W lead up so fast and so bad. Jess Christensen My 625-8 has this new style rifling too. And yes it does lead a bit, but it shoots fairly well and it's not bad to clean. But that's nothing compared to the buildup on the forcing cone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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