ebg3 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Shot my new M&P Pro yesterday at a match and after 3 stages I started having failures to extract. The fired case was being left in the chamber and when I dropped the mag and racked the slide, it would come out fine. When it FTE, it was close to the end of the stage after the barrel heated up. I have polished the chamber a little bit, because what I read here before, but it still FTE. To me, the extractor tension is too light. I need to take it out and clean it and install a heavier spring. Is there any special trick to removing the pin that holds the extractor in? I tried tapping it out and got zero movement. Does it have to be knocked out from the top or bottom, or does it matter? Any help will be appreciated. At this point, I see no need to send it back to S&W. I feel like I can fix it myself. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boats Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Thats exactly what was wrong with mine. Sent it to Smith but would rather have fixed it my self. They were not specific but it looks like they honed the sides of the extractor a little bit. In other words it was not spring tension but the extractor itself dragging that caused the problem Intrested in how to remove it when somebody post. You might want to look at this link too http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/M&Ptriggerjob1.htm Boats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Burwell Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 S&W uses a hydrolic press to press the pin so as you may guess it is very hard to get out. You want to put the slide down on a hard surface, use a 1/16 steel punch, big hammer, and from the top drive the pin out the bottom of the slide. I would highly recomend cutting a 1/16 punch short to use as a starter punch otherwise you will likely bend the punch before you get any movement of the pin. You may or may not be able to reuse the pin when you are all done if not I bought some roll pins from mcmaster carr that work very well. Good luck, Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 S&W uses a hydrolic press to press the pin so as you may guess it is very hard to get out. You want to put the slide down on a hard surface, use a 1/16 steel punch, big hammer, and from the top drive the pin out the bottom of the slide. I would highly recomend cutting a 1/16 punch short to use as a starter punch otherwise you will likely bend the punch before you get any movement of the pin. You may or may not be able to reuse the pin when you are all done if not I bought some roll pins from mcmaster carr that work very well. Good luck, Dan Thanks for the help. I figured the pin was pressed in. I'll give it another try if I have to. I took the barrel out this morning and using extra fine jewelers rouge put the mirror polish on the chamber. The extractor looks like it's making good contact and I can't see needing to alter it any other than maybe a heavier spring. I'm heading out to shoot it now. I'll post results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 Thats exactly what was wrong with mine. Sent it to Smith but would rather have fixed it my self. They were not specific but it looks like they honed the sides of the extractor a little bit. In other words it was not spring tension but the extractor itself dragging that caused the problemIntrested in how to remove it when somebody post. You might want to look at this link too http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/M&Ptriggerjob1.htm Boats Thanks, I'll look at the extractor again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike cyrwus Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 you can also tune the extractor to get a little more engagement by filing down the backside of the extractor. but hey, S&W will fix it on their dime, so why not send it back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 OK, here's an update. Cleaned gun went out and shot. After 125 rounds or so, FTE! Did it several more times. Evidently, after enough fouling build up occurs it will FTE. It seems to start after 125-150 rounds. The load is a 124 fmj at a little under 1100 fps. I bought two 1/16" punches and cut one short to try and knock the ext. pin out. It just kept breaking. evidently a hardened punch won't work. This really sucks and I'm starting to get discouraged. I like to be able to disassemble my guns to clean them completely from time to time...not with this one. I hate to send it back to S&W because I already polished the trigger and have it the way I want it. I know they will replace the polished parts. Any advice??? Thanks, EG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 You can try ordering the right sized punches from Starrett. You can get them at Brownells, Midway, and a host of other places as well....... Good luck, keep at it! DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 You can try ordering the right sized punches from Starrett. You can get them at Brownells, Midway, and a host of other places as well.......Good luck, keep at it! DougC Yeah, I really need a punch a little bigger than 1/16". I'm calling S&W in the morning to resolve this. Thanks, EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boats Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Agree it would be good to get it out but, sounds like a good place for carb cleaner and the air hose. Boats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Just talked to S&W and they are sending me a UPS label to ship the gun back to them to try and find the problem. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixShooterPerry Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I am having the same problem with mine. A good cleaning with the air hose and it will work for a match or two and then the FTE's begin. I own 2 of the 4" guns and have 20,000+ rounds through them and never a problem. I guess I will have to send it back to have it fixed. Perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cking Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I seen several of these guns have this kind of failure. However most of time racking the slide would not remove the stuck case. The would do it more often with Wolf steel case and hand loads. Seems the shoulder in the chamber that it suppose to head space on was little big and rounds were camming pass and locking themselves in after the round fired. New barrels fixed the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMSI Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I started an almost identical thread a few weeks ago. Same problem, just like 2 other guys I shoot with. FTE about every 50 rounds. Sent it back ot S&W with their address label. It came back in about 10 days. Shot it in practice about 125 rounds with no problem. Cleaned the barrel and chamber, then went to a match this weekend, and on the second stage another FTE. This is obviously a common problem with the S&W Pro. The solution as I understand it is to have the extractor tweaked or replaced (apparently there is a new one that S&W will install), polish the chamber or get an after-market barrel, AND possibly replace the extractor spring with a stronger one (or double it up). I do not understand the specifics of the spring thing, but I have heard it is necessary on some guns and requires some gunsmithing. Looks like I have one of those guns. The Pro is a great gun in concept, but S&W needs to admit the problem and fix it. Mine is again going back to S&W with a stern letter. We will see how that goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 I'm still waiting for the UPS return label. A friend of mine just picked up his Pro yesterday, maybe he got one that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9146gt Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 S&W emailed me a return label last time. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartzpad Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I'm shooting my new 9 Pro today. I'll let you know if it is reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 S&W emailed me a return label last time.Tom They were supposed to send one to me last Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandankenpo Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 I will be calling s&w tommorrow, I did everything I have read on here , and once it gets a few rounds through it it still fells to eject, and I have shot around 1000 rounds through it just hoping it needed broke in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 I will be calling s&w tommorrow, I did everything I have read on here , and once it gets a few rounds through it it still fells to eject, and I have shot around 1000 rounds through it just hoping it needed broke in Have you solved your problem yet? I just got back in town and I still don't have a return label to ship mine back to S&W. I guess I'll be on the phone with them tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9146gt Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 S&W emailed my last return shipping label to me. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 I shot yesterday with a friend who has over 1000rds through his new Pro with no problems. I shot mine with some hotter ammo and it seemed to work fine. I'm increasing my charge and will shoot 200 rds today to see if it makes a difference. My problems might be occuring because of light loads and a recoil spring that's made for +p+++ ammo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartzpad Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I shot yesterday with a friend who has over 1000rds through his new Pro with no problems. I shot mine with some hotter ammo and it seemed to work fine. I'm increasing my charge and will shoot 200 rds today to see if it makes a difference. My problems might be occuring because of light loads and a recoil spring that's made for +p+++ ammo . Switching my stock 16 lb. recoil spring to a 13 lb. made my Pro 100% reliable with my reloads. Much more positive ejection as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebg3 Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 Just back from shooting 200rds. I increased my load by 0.2gr and only had 1 FTE. I think I'm on the right track with using a heavier load and reducing the recoil spring. I'm ordering an 11lb and a 13lb spring tonight to try...hopefully the gun won't have to go back to Smith. I'll keep posting. EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffWard Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 (edited) My brand new M&P Pro (300 rounds) had extraction issues as soon as I ran it hot and dirty past 100 rounds in a USPSA match. It was leaving empties in the chamber. I had the chamber, and feedramp professionally polished, and I've had no issues since, but I HAVEN'T run it past about 100 rounds... I'm getting a reloading press this week, and I was looking to load this gun DOWN for USPSA. Please let me know if the softer spring helps, but I assume it will recoil a bit harder with a softer spring too... Looks like I'll be checking back after X-Mas. My next match is Dec29th. JeffWard Edited December 16, 2008 by JeffWard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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