Filishooter Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 . What really is the purpose in the 9L anyway? Those that don't want a fiber in the front site can simply remove the fiber and fill the offending hole. Am I missing something here? I think the Pro's trigger is below the 5lb IPSC minimum right? So that means it couldn't be used internationally. The 9L is above the 5lbs and is already approved on the IPSC Production List. The list even specifically states that M&P9 Pro is not approved. In addition, I think the 9L is being marketed to the LEO "Tactical" crowd who feel safer with a heavier trigger. It looks like S&W wanted to make a gun that was ready to shoot in USPSA Production out of the box. But yeah, S&W should have just made one gun with the same product number and heavier trigger. The people that want a better trigger will get it worked on anyways and most people that I've seen that have the Pro (myself included) have changed out the sights as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfactor Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) I think the Pro's trigger is below the 5lb IPSC minimum right? So that means it couldn't be used internationally. The 9L is above the 5lbs and is already approved on the IPSC Production List. The list even specifically states that M&P9 Pro is not approved. I guess that's why they were treated as two separate guns... but it still would have made more sense (and cost a lot less $$) to design/manufacture only one 5" slide, and offer two "versions" - which could be treated as the same model for our approval purposes. ...S&W should have just made one gun with the same product number and heavier trigger. The people that want a better trigger will get it worked on anyways and most people that I've seen that have the Pro (myself included) have changed out the sights as well. I agree... Julie, we'll let it slide this time, but please let S&W know that next time they want to produce/market/sell a new pistol, they should first check in with us for help on the strategy! Edited December 26, 2008 by Xfactor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glshooter Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) I think Julie should encourage S&W to allow a Brian Enos group buy at a reduced price so we can get up to the required numbers. I know we would all show off our new M&P's, encourage others to buy them and tell everyone about S&W's commitment and dedication to the shooting sports. Edited December 26, 2008 by Glshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 My memory is bad but on another board with an M and a P in the name I was given the name of a friend of a friend at S&W. I emailed these same questions in early November I think, and was told numbers at that time were around 1200 with only runs of 20 at a time being added as needed. If nothing else I will surely find out if the guy knew what he was talking about. I hope this helped add to the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I think Julie should encourage S&W to allow a Brian Enos group buy at a reduced price so we can get up to the required numbers. I know we would all show off our new M&P's, encourage others to buy them and tell everyone about S&W's commitment and dedication to the shooting sports. Good thought but forum rules do not allow group buys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I think Julie should encourage S&W to allow a Brian Enos group buy at a reduced price so we can get up to the required numbers. I know we would all show off our new M&P's, encourage others to buy them and tell everyone about S&W's commitment and dedication to the shooting sports. Good thought but forum rules do not allow group buys. Yeah I read that... what's wrong with a group buy that everyone is able to benefit from? Brian's rules, it's his house, I was just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 I think Julie should encourage S&W to allow a Brian Enos group buy at a reduced price so we can get up to the required numbers. I know we would all show off our new M&P's, encourage others to buy them and tell everyone about S&W's commitment and dedication to the shooting sports. Good thought but forum rules do not allow group buys. Yeah I read that... what's wrong with a group buy that everyone is able to benefit from? Brian's rules, it's his house, I was just wondering. Nothing's wrong with a group buy that works out for everyone; the problem is that in most group buys there's some kind of hiccup --- unless you personally know all of the people involved. We made a conscious decision that we didn't want to deal with that here --- both because it would potentially create a lot of work, and because it would/could detract from the forum's core purpose..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glshooter Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I think Julie should encourage S&W to allow a Brian Enos group buy at a reduced price so we can get up to the required numbers. I know we would all show off our new M&P's, encourage others to buy them and tell everyone about S&W's commitment and dedication to the shooting sports. It was sort of meant as a joke with the key words being REDUCED PRICE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YukonGlocker Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Both should be approved by spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsoncreek Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Hopefully by DoubleTap in March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Both should be approved by spring. Can you give a little background on this info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YukonGlocker Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Straight from my contact at S&W. No promises...But they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basman Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Straight from my contact at S&W.No promises...But they should be. Any idea what the production numbers are? Are we close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YukonGlocker Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) A few hundred off on the Pro and the 9L is not that far behind. It won't take long now...and I doubt asking over and over will speed up production. Edited December 30, 2008 by YukonGlocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Burwell Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 and I doubt asking over and over will speed up production. But it sure makes us feel better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YukonGlocker Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) I pulled a newb and didn't read the whole thread. I just now read Julie's and other's posts, which had already stated what I did... Edited December 30, 2008 by YukonGlocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 . What really is the purpose in the 9L anyway? Those that don't want a fiber in the front site can simply remove the fiber and fill the offending hole. Am I missing something here?I think the Pro's trigger is below the 5lb IPSC minimum right? So that means it couldn't be used internationally. The 9L is above the 5lbs and is already approved on the IPSC Production List. The list even specifically states that M&P9 Pro is not approved. In addition, I think the 9L is being marketed to the LEO "Tactical" crowd who feel safer with a heavier trigger. It looks like S&W wanted to make a gun that was ready to shoot in USPSA Production out of the box. But yeah, S&W should have just made one gun with the same product number and heavier trigger. The people that want a better trigger will get it worked on anyways and most people that I've seen that have the Pro (myself included) have changed out the sights as well. I think you answered your own question --- marketed to different groups of shooters, one IPSC Production legal, one not, different slide profiles, slightly different weight..... IPSC would turn down any gun specifically made for competition..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietMan2 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I just picked up Pro serial number 190x.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 For the record, I just got off the phone with S&W. In 2008 they shipped 1772 of the M&P 9Pro. Mine will be ready on the 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basman Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Add another one. Shipping date 1/9/09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Just purchased another 9l form Shooter's Supply. Serial number 183X. They have two more 9Ls inbound from their distributor. We must be getting real close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born-in-45 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) M&P 9Pro s/n 55xx sitting in my safe - must not be numbering these things consecutively or they have just built a bunch of them very quickly. Edited January 8, 2009 by born-in-45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 M&P 9Pro s/n 55xx sitting in my safe - must not be numbering these things consecutively or they have just built a bunch of them very quickly. Drat!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 The 1772 shipped I posted is solid information straight from S&W and a new batch coming out end of the week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott R Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 The 1772 shipped I posted is solid information straight from S&W and a new batch coming out end of the week! Sweet, maybe mine is in that batch. I have been waiting for 3-4 weeks now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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