rgoberle Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 I have run across some Norma 9mm brass that has a smaller than standard flash hole. The first time I found this was when I was sizing and my decapping pin got stuck in the flash hole. I had to remove the shell plate to get the case out and drive the decapping pin out of the case. I then checked some other Norma cases and found some had the standard size flash hole and some had the smaller flash hole. It is very apparent that the flash holes are markedly different. Tried to talk to Norma but only got a recording saying to leave a message. Anyone else had this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_B Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 There is another thread on here about the same thing. Most responses were to throw them in them in the recycling bin. But someone said to get a different decapping pin. Might be some info there if you want to search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 2 hours ago, rgoberle said: I have run across some Norma 9mm brass that has a smaller than standard flash hole. The first time I found this was when I was sizing and my decapping pin got stuck in the flash hole. I had to remove the shell plate to get the case out and drive the decapping pin out of the case. I then checked some other Norma cases and found some had the standard size flash hole and some had the smaller flash hole. It is very apparent that the flash holes are markedly different. Tried to talk to Norma but only got a recording saying to leave a message. Anyone else had this issue? Many, including myself, are using .057" decapping pins to deal with the standard & small flash holes. IIRC, all the major die suppliers are offering pins in this approximate size. Redding refers to them as their "benchrest" decapping pins...... https://www.google.com/search?q=.057+decapping+pin&oq=.057+decap&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCAgBEAAYFhgeMgYIABBFGDkyCAgBEAAYFhgeMg0IAhAAGIYDGIAEGIoF0gEKMTE4OTRqMGoxNagCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 My RL1100 with the standard Dillon decapping die punches through them without issue. Just needs one extra ugga-dugga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmKerle Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 I have gotten a lot of them now in the bulk brass I buy form an indoor range. I load on a XL650 and use an RCBS 9mm die and just punch the flash hole out to the larger size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachjet Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 5:33 PM, HOGRIDER said: Many, including myself, are using .057" decapping pins to deal with the standard & small flash holes. IIRC, all the major die suppliers are offering pins in this approximate size. Redding refers to them as their "benchrest" decapping pins...... https://www.google.com/search?q=.057+decapping+pin&oq=.057+decap&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCAgBEAAYFhgeMgYIABBFGDkyCAgBEAAYFhgeMg0IAhAAGIYDGIAEGIoF0gEKMTE4OTRqMGoxNagCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1 So which one exactly works with the Lee universal Decap die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Zachjet said: So which one exactly works with the Lee universal Decap die? Not sure if anyone makes one specifically for the LUDD........... I ended up going this route; several options/price ranges: https://fwarms.com/product-category/reloading/decapping-dies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 12 hours ago, Zachjet said: So which one exactly works with the Lee universal Decap die? I use an EGW/LEE undersized die with squirrel daddy pins. No issues with Norma. You can get everything on amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachjet Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 4 hours ago, HOGRIDER said: Not sure if anyone makes one specifically for the LUDD........... I ended up going this route; several options/price ranges: https://fwarms.com/product-category/reloading/decapping-dies/ 2 hours ago, Sarge said: I use an EGW/LEE undersized die with squirrel daddy pins. No issues with Norma. You can get everything on amazon thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) I know many here have been complaining about the Norma brass for a while. I just ran across some of the new Norma brass and Wow, a couple of them look like they used a hat pin to punch the flash holes. I have a bunch of older Norma 38 specials, 270 Win and others and while they’re slightly smaller it’s nothing like these. They must have had a screw up at the factory that didn’t get caught. Edited December 24, 2023 by Farmer Punc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachjet Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 I bought the fw pins to try out, I just haven’t had much time this week. I’ve been helping Santa by putting my kids presents together for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APL-G35 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 5:32 PM, Dirty_J said: My RL1100 with the standard Dillon decapping die punches through them without issue. Just needs one extra ugga-dugga We the same lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyScuba Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Nothing but berdan beats the S&B non-tox 9mm brass for tightness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonasAberg Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 This is interesting. I had a bunch of problems with Norma brass last summer. I think I still have a few cases somewhere I can check. A smaller flash hole would explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna_Go_Fast Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Same issues here with the Norma brass. As others have said, putting some muscle into it usually pushes it through but I’m gonna try the squirrel daddy pins. Thanks for the tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I looked real close at the Norma brass I have, (magnifier) and could see where there was a dimple where a full sized flash hole should have been with this pin hole through it. It is like the flash hole punch was wore out and nobody bothered to replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonasAberg Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Had a handful of Norma cases lying around so compared them to S&B and Geco brass and it does look like Norma had a smaller flash hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasmitty Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I ran into the small Norma flash holes in 9mm cases a few months ago. After bending a couple of regular decapping pins, I just started scrapping Norma brass. For other reasons, I just changed over to the .003" undersized Lee sizing/decapping die, and that one-piece decapping pin just punches right through the teeny Norma flash hole like it was a beer can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMP Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 There was a lot of Norma factory being sold last year, so brass to be picked up at the range and matches along with other stuff. I decap first as a separate process on a dedicated press before wet tumble. This lets me weed out bad brass immediately. Only throw the lever with a light two finger touch, it will stop on a Norma case or any case with an obstruction. They go in a bucket for when I get a smaller dia pin. Likewise for MIL brass, they need a harder pull and go in a container for crimp removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 In addition to the smaller flash hole, I've noticed that the primer pocket is smaller. I've ruined several Federal small pistol primers loading it. Now it goes into the junk brass pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 32 minutes ago, Almo said: I've ruined several Federal small pistol primers loading it. You may never financially recover from that, in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Yes. 9mm brass is much easier to come by than Federal primers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longjoee Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 12/17/2023 at 10:40 AM, Sarge said: I use an EGW/LEE undersized die with squirrel daddy pins. No issues with Norma. You can get everything on amazon This !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquared Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 12/15/2023 at 1:01 PM, rgoberle said: I have run across some Norma 9mm brass that has a smaller than standard flash hole. The first time I found this was when I was sizing and my decapping pin got stuck in the flash hole. I had to remove the shell plate to get the case out and drive the decapping pin out of the case. I then checked some other Norma cases and found some had the standard size flash hole and some had the smaller flash hole. It is very apparent that the flash holes are markedly different. Tried to talk to Norma but only got a recording saying to leave a message. Anyone else had this issue? My Dillon 9mm sizing decapping die punches right through them. My commercial decapper with a smaller pin breaks on every one. I now have to sort them out and they go right to scrap and I crush them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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