rowdyb Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 It hurts me no little bit to type it, but I wish there was a limited optics super squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 And with my medical nightmare of the past 15 months, I'll predict myself 55th overall in Prod. Sad face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamasabound Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 For LO, unless more registrants change, I see KC winning and someone like Matt Hemple just outside 5%, Max Leograndis could be there too. Good open shooters like Patches Reeder, David Lyell, Sammy Nelson or Eric Steiner could be close behind. I’d be shocked if Cory K broke low 80s%, which would be a record finish for him in a handgun match with top shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) As a Texas guy Cory k was an emotional pick. Matt H will carry the flag, I didn't see his name when I scanned. Eric S could definitely bring some Open magic. Edited September 8, 2023 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachjet Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Is there a match book on p/s posted that I’m missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 After day 1, some egregiously sketchy ratings math says: Open: 1. Sailer 2. Eusebio 3. Vlieger/Jones Sailer has some solid separation developing, KC is a little bit ahead of the third place pair, and Eddins/Murdock/Hyder/JJ are all within easy distance of third. PCC: 1. Max L. 2-3. Froelich/Jordan/Greene/Justine Williams/Zack Smith/Barrett/Castro Max has a solid-looking lead, and the rest of the top 10 looks extremely close so far. The process behind these predictions: 1. Apply Elo rating changes based on today's stages. 2. Run the Elo prediction math on the people attending the match. 3. For stages a shooter hasn't shot, give him [predicted % finish] * [stage points] points from that stage. The first item tries to capture competitors' performances today. Even though there's a limited amount of shooter overlap on day 1, we can at least reason about how people are doing by comparison to their peers in the same zone, and adjust predictions based on those trends. Tomorrow ought to show whether this is a sensible method, after the second day of shooters rolls through each zone. I'm following Joey Sauerland with interest—he's out there tearing it up with his Limited setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 KC DQ'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, outerlimits said: KC DQ'd. Details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Does anybody know if JJ is having any issues with his gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 Well we were all good about picking first for pcc and open, not so good second and third. hahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Crazy how dominant Christian s is. Only one other true GM in open this Nationals. Is he the best guy with a handgun in the world right now? I think he probably is. I know he's primarily a dot shooter, but I think it was last year he shot L10 and beat Nils in the overall with Nils shooting a single stack gun. I know that's not exactly apples to apples, but it may be the closest that we have right now. And I know he didn't win open last year, but that seems way more the anomaly than him winning basically every match he enters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 Nice to see Crazy Legs make an appearance again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 And did Lena ever finish this high in pcc at nats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, rowdyb said: And did Lena ever finish this high in pcc at nats? I don't think so. Justine was 2nd last year if I remember right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whan Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Justine finishing 2nd in PCC nats last year apparently was the highest a woman has placed in any nats I think it’s a reasonable argument that Sailer is the best handgun shooter in the world. Certainly optics - the interesting head to head would be him vs. Eric Grauffel, as it seems Eric prefers to shoot irons / production (he did at IPSC worlds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, whan said: Justine finishing 2nd in PCC nats last year apparently was the highest a woman has placed in any nats I think it’s a reasonable argument that Sailer is the best handgun shooter in the world. Certainly optics - the interesting head to head would be him vs. Eric Grauffel, as it seems Eric prefers to shoot irons / production (he did at IPSC worlds) I agree sailor versus EG would be a great match. Grauffel used to shoot open all the time but switched to production for several years. Maybe they would need to run one match of each irons versus optics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Why are these matches so hard to find on the competitor app ? whats the name of this match ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Found it never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone45 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 8 hours ago, RJH said: I agree sailor versus EG would be a great match. Grauffel used to shoot open all the time but switched to production for several years. Maybe they would need to run one match of each irons versus optics EG is shooting production again in the upcoming European championships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 15 hours ago, rowdyb said: Nice to see Crazy Legs make an appearance again Did anyone predicted JJ dropping out from the match? Anyone know what happen there? On a side note. It is interesting to see the person promoting and pushing an alternative competition league/sport is still shooting the USPSA nationals... Why do that if USPSA is that bas as a sport? Or if it is not bad - why do we need another sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamasabound Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, euxx said: Did anyone predicted JJ dropping out from the match? Anyone know what happen there? On a side note. It is interesting to see the person promoting and pushing an alternative competition league/sport is still shooting the USPSA nationals... Why do that if USPSA is that bas as a sport? Or if it is not bad - why do we need another sport? I can’t claim to speak for anyone else’s motives, but my understanding is Max Leograndis, who you are referencing, approached USPSA leadership repeatedly with proposals to make USPSA multi gun a) HF based and b) appealing to the splintered multi gun competitive pool. The leadership response was, “if you don’t like it start your own,” and so eventually he did. Other than defending his title here and at a couple other key matches, it looks like his USPSA participation has been at a minimum for a couple of years. In that he’s not unlike the reigning revolver national champion, who shoots 1-2 matches a year, at most. Or several former national champions who shoot weekly outlaw matches but 2-3 sanctioned matches a year. I agree it’s a problem. I disagree that it’s highly accomplished shooters who are to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 I didn't say I blame any shooters. I just find it ironic for Max to still shoot any USPSA matches or even needing to defend his title. That is if he truly believes there is something wrong with USPSA as a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, euxx said: I didn't say I blame any shooters. I just find it ironic for Max to still shoot any USPSA matches or even needing to defend his title. That is if he truly believes there is something wrong with USPSA as a sport. Hell, he worked USPSA multigun Nationals this year. He said before he wants USPSA to thrive. USPSA simply did not offer what he had in mind so he created something on his own, that doesn't mean he has to dislike USPSA. That might have been the way IDPA did stuff, but I think Max doesn't think it has to be that way. I never shot a pcsl match, but they do look interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 hours ago, euxx said: Did anyone predicted JJ dropping out from the match? Anyone know what happen there? On a side note. It is interesting to see the person promoting and pushing an alternative competition league/sport is still shooting the USPSA nationals... Why do that if USPSA is that bas as a sport? Or if it is not bad - why do we need another sport? His barrel cracked/broke. Backup gun’s barrel was cracked/broke in the weeks leading up to the match is what I hear. Beretta seems to have some serious metallurgic problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 9:33 PM, RJH said: Details? Dropped his gun when existing a port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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