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Interestingly enough, I believe that’s also true for @Racinready300ex, although I may have my timing mixed up.

I’m sympathetic to your example, but the local shooter you described doesn’t exist. There were three Ms in the top 20 of CO last year, two of whom are national champions in other divisions. There was one M in the top 20 at CO nationals in 2022 (who was not in the top 20 last year). There is as one M in the top 20 at CO nationals in 2021 (who is now a G and was 59th last year). If you go back to 2020 and years earlier, the field is so scattered and weak as to be non comparable. Top 20 in 2019 was 80%, ~90th last year.

Look at a VGW Priest. Their short dust cover model (optic cut excepted) is very classic.

I have a Girsan 2311, and like the one you tested the trigger was unusable. I fit an MPA aluminum grip and dropped in EGW parts, and it’s now a functional basic 2011-like gun. I do not believe the Tisas is made by the same company — the frame for the Tisas 2011-a-like is steel, and the small parts are different. The cast Girsan parts seemed particularly brittle, and the frame rapidly wore from the replacement steel safeties I fit. I expect the Girsan will not hold up. I have marginally higher expectations for the Tisas.

So far I’ve shot using my unaltered CO guns. I have a few slide ride 2011s, but until LO consolidates as the more competitive division I’ll stay with one type of gun for the most part.

thank you. I’ve been struggling to come up with an analogy to counteract this line of thinking, something about a owning a Volvo station wagon, a Ford Pinto, and a BMW M series, and planning to shred the upholstery on the BMW, over-inflate the tires, and slap a governor on it, so that you will drive your Pinto more.

My reasoned estimate is between two weeks and forty years.

yes, someone misentered this last June. My understanding is it has been shared with IT previously, but wouldn’t hurt for you to do that again.

PCC, in this instance, could start facing uprange, with the muzzle not uprange, as long as the stock is touching belt. It would be weird, but allowable.

*I assumed, perhaps erroneously, USPSA. For IPSC you must start facing down range, standing erect, hands relaxed at sides, unless prescribed differently in the WSB. (8.2.2 in the current rules edition).

If the WSB doesn’t prescribe a direction you are free to start facing any which way, with obvious risks about uprange draws. (8.2.2.1 for direction, 10.5.16 for uprange draw). For PCC shooters, they cannot be *required* to start facing uprange.

I think CZ won the EHC

There is nowhere to reload on that stage that doesn’t cost time. You can move between the back right target into m the inside middle in less than a second, and transition from the far right middle target directly to the far left open in <.60. To be fully competitive in CO (or now LO) you cannot try to hide a reload. I have not seen any limited major gun run the top end CO times for that stage (because of the reload). This fact is reflected in the higher HHF for CO vs Limited, since a red dot confers negligible advantages on 4 yard targets, and the 4 no shoot partials should reward major scoring. I realize in the 2021 nationals many folks took a more conservative approach, but there is no “free” reload. (I don’t think there is ever is — having to reload when someone else doesn’t always has a marginal cost associated with it, if only from fracturing attention for a moment, although that’s another argument).

I can’t claim to speak for anyone else’s motives, but my understanding is Max Leograndis, who you are referencing, approached USPSA leadership repeatedly with proposals to make USPSA multi gun a) HF based and b) appealing to the splintered multi gun competitive pool. The leadership response was, “if you don’t like it start your own,” and so eventually he did. Other than defending his title here and at a couple other key matches, it looks like his USPSA participation has been at a minimum for a couple of years. In that he’s not unlike the reigning revolver national champion, who shoots 1-2 matches a year, at most. Or several former national champions who shoot weekly outlaw matches but 2-3 sanctioned matches a year. I agree it’s a problem. I disagree that it’s highly accomplished shooters who are to blame.

For LO, unless more registrants change, I see KC winning and someone like Matt Hemple just outside 5%, Max Leograndis could be there too. Good open shooters like Patches Reeder, David Lyell, Sammy Nelson or Eric Steiner could be close behind. I’d be shocked if Cory K broke low 80s%, which would be a record finish for him in a handgun match with top shooters.