shred Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Nathanb said: Honestly who turns down a magwell if you can have it? You can practically throw a mag in with the magwell on it I shot LO in a couple matches for funsies. The magwell helps some for reloads, but you're not doing many of those. I way prefer it for the grip, and that has value on every shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 Is there even a mass produced red dot ready 2011 available in 40? For example, staccato no longer makes one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Any pistol with a rear sight dovetail is "red dot ready". I see zero performance difference between an OR pistol and a dovetail-dot pistol, although the OR looks cooler. I'm only M in CO though so YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, shred said: Any pistol with a rear sight dovetail is "red dot ready". Ok so rephrase that to 2011 in 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, shred said: The way to get rid of Major without pissing people off is to add some complexity-- for a while-- make a "Mid" PF around 135-140. Scores 5-4-1, so major points for the C and minor points for the D. Recognizes power on target since LE doesn't shoot 125 PF 9 and penalized bad shots. This would be super interesting. Maybe you do this for LO only to make it a stand alone division. This would also give you data on lowering PF. I would make the bottom of Mid 140 though. Edited February 17, 2023 by Boomstick303 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rich406 said: Ok so rephrase that to 2011 in 40. RIA for one, Remington if they're in business this week. There's also Tac Sports and other SAO pistols and all the Glocks and HKs and XDs in .40 that have nowhere else to play hicap. Plus 10mm is coming back which gets the new tac coolness factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, shred said: RIA for one, but there's also Tac Sports and other SAO pistols. Plus plenty of 10mms and arguably thats a better caliber for Limited Major anyway, plus new tac coolness. Ya. I looked around and there are plenty that don’t come dot ready. I suppose a dovetail mount would be fine for trying it out. still though, going forward. I think 40 is on its way out. Edited February 17, 2023 by Rich406 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rich406 said: Is there even a mass produced red dot ready 2011 available in 40? For example, staccato no longer makes one. why does it need to be mass produced? limited isn't about mass-produced guns, so why should LO be? We have divisions for mass produced guns already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, motosapiens said: why does it need to be mass produced? limited isn't about mass-produced guns, so why should LO be? We have divisions for mass produced guns already. Because a custom gun is 5-6k+ and an off the shelf version would be half that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rich406 said: Ya. I looked around and there are plenty that don’t come dot ready. I suppose a dovetail mount would be fine for trying it out. still though, going forward. I think 40 is on its way out. Dovetail mount is zero performance penalty for 90+% of shooters. Sticks up a bit higher, but still lower than any frame mount puts the dot. .40 is fading out in the larger industry for sure, but USPSA has plenty of people shooting 9x23 Winchester, 38 Supercomp and even .38 Short Colt, all of which are far more obsolete than .40. Wild prediction here, LO is not gonna be designed as an entry-level division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigG Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, shred said: Wild prediction here, LO is not gonna be designed as an entry-level division. And it shouldn't be an entry-level division. We already have 4 of those. 5 if you count PCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, Rich406 said: still though, going forward. I think 40 is on its way out. meh. 45 has been on the way out for over 100 years....., not gone yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman777 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, motosapiens said: meh. 45 has been on the way out for over 100 years....., not gone yet.... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, motosapiens said: meh. 45 has been on the way out for over 100 years....., not gone yet.... Yep, but more 45 ammo and guns is sold than 40 so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, RJH said: Yep, but more 45 ammo and guns is sold than 40 so...... but more rimfire rounds are produced each year than all centerfire calibers combined.... so we should give up on centerfire and just shoot 22. That should make the people who are scared of 40 even happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, motosapiens said: but more rimfire rounds are produced each year than all centerfire calibers combined.... so we should give up on centerfire and just shoot 22. That should make the people who are scared of 40 even happier. Well rimfire don't make minor and is not a currently accepted caliber at all. But nice try on a straw man argument. Point is there's way more 45 shooters in the world than 40, but nobody's clamoring for a new 45 division because it's a bad idea. Just like creating a new 40 division is a bad idea I'll leave you to go think about being an old man and little girls hands now. That seems to be your favorite subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, RJH said: Well rimfire don't make minor and is not a currently accepted caliber at all. But nice try on a straw man argument. if we're talking about getting rid of major because less 40 is sold and the fbi can't get girls to pass their quals with 40, I think we should be open to the idea of getting rid of power factor entirely. We could grow the sport, and more LEO's could pass their quals!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 My prediction is as a major/minor division it doesn't do vary well. Of all the people I've seen asking either for this division or just to allow SAO in CO. None of them were asking for a major scored division. It mostly seems like people who either opposed it or were indifferent who are saying make it major. It's kind of like when they started CO with a 35 oz weight limit that no one was asking for, and no one shot it. We should probably build the division to the demand and not just to make if fit better. Instead of creating a place for the guns people want to shoot, we're creating a division for a gun no one has or really wants. I wonder what kind of numbers it would take for them to decide it's a bad idea. Currently Limited is like 50% minor shooters. So if half the shooters shoot major will it be considered a success? Limited division in it's current form isn't vary successful IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I do not recall seeing this on this thread so I present this for the FUDDs to completely melt down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Boomstick303 said: I do not recall seeing this on this thread so I present this for the FUDDs to completely melt down. If that's the one I saw a while back, that Kenny Platt guy has it figured out. I don't know who he is other than some guy on this podcast, but he's pretty much right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, shred said: Wild prediction here, LO is not gonna be designed as an entry-level division. If everybody wants to be honest , Nothing about the USPSA/IPSC is designed as an entry level division. Edited February 17, 2023 by usmc1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, RJH said: If that's the one I saw a while back, that Kenny Platt guy has it figured out. I don't know who he is other than some guy on this podcast, but he's pretty much right He's a pretty solid 3 division GM, and a smart guy. Like any sponsored shooter, you have to read between the lines sometimes, but generally he is helpful and constructive. Thankfully he is shooting CO now, because it was hurting my feelings when he was shooting production and still beating me, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, motosapiens said: He's a pretty solid 3 division GM, and a smart guy. Like any sponsored shooter, you have to read between the lines sometimes, but generally he is helpful and constructive. Thankfully he is shooting CO now, because it was hurting my feelings when he was shooting production and still beating me, lol. Who is he sponsored by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, RJH said: Who is he sponsored by? I think he was shooting gray guns from listening to him on podcasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Racinready300ex said: I think he was shooting gray guns from listening to him on podcasts. So not a 2011 shooter? And he even said Sao guns would fit right in carry-ops now if I remember correct... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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