adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Asking due to a problem at a match. Im wearing double amps. In ear and muffs both with amp. I can hear the timer button being pushed. Clearly. Every time. I got a procedural. Argued it. Became a problem at a match where me and the Ro's perception differed. Later Ive learned it would be the beep not the button push. Which could get grey and depend on the listener. Does anyone know what the actual delay on some of the common timers we use are between press and beep? Also the duration of the beep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJB Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 The beep should be instant. The beep duration is 0.20 seconds. Timers have an "instant" setting and a "random" setting. If y'all are using the random beep setting at a match that's incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 If the timer being used is one with a RESET button and is being held close to your ear, you are probably hearing the reset push. Ask the RO to press the reset before bringing the timer up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, George Jones said: If the timer being used is one with a RESET button and is being held close to your ear, you are probably hearing the reset push. Ask the RO to press the reset before bringing the timer up. I dunno if the click I hear is a release or a push. Its just a button click noise. No idea on which timer last time I dont usually look at the timer when im shooting,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, BJB said: The beep should be instant. The beep duration is 0.20 seconds. Timers have an "instant" setting and a "random" setting. If y'all are using the random beep setting at a match that's incorrect. It definitely isn't in seconds so its not on random. Instant isn't instant. Im sure theres a very small delay I just wonder what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 My money is on a CED 7000. Happens all the time when the RO forgets to reset and does it right next to your ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, George Jones said: My money is on a CED 7000. Happens all the time when the RO forgets to reset and does it right next to your ear. Some of our RO's make sure they reset it right after you shoot. So that you can't check the accuracy of your time of course....I make sure not to squad with those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 So if you know you're hearing a button being pushed and not the beep why are you starting? You start on the beep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, adrone said: I dunno if the click I hear is a release or a push. Its just a button click noise. No idea on which timer last time I dont usually look at the timer when im shooting,. Why are you jumping the start? Stop looking for reasons to be right and go when you hear the beep like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfoto Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 This is why the stage description reads: “Start signal: audible.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, adrone said: Asking due to a problem at a match. Im wearing double amps. In ear and muffs both with amp. I can hear the timer button being pushed. Clearly. Every time. I got a procedural. Argued it. Became a problem at a match where me and the Ro's perception differed. Later Ive learned it would be the beep not the button push. Which could get grey and depend on the listener. Does anyone know what the actual delay on some of the common timers we use are between press and beep? Also the duration of the beep? There is no perception problem and no gray area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Mcfoto said: This is why the stage description reads: “Start signal: audible.” We all know (except him) what that means. I'm sure he'll argue next that the "click" from the button being pushed is audible......... Edited March 30, 2022 by Johnny_Chimpo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 If you really want to impress your friends with how quick you are, impress them with how fast you are reacting to the Beep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhayden Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 If they are using a Pact club timer, the beep comes AFTER the RO releases the button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: We all know (except him) what that means. I'm sure he'll argue next that the "click" from the button being pushed is audible......... You can take your smart remarks somewhere else Firemarshall Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: We all know (except him) what that means. I'm sure he'll argue next that the "click" from the button being pushed is audible......... I don't wear amps with the intention to jump the start. I just happen to wear them and i hear the button being pushed so. Im simply asking a question on these timers. So you can drop your attitude. If you wouldnt say it to me in person in that manner then don’t say it on the net. Edited March 30, 2022 by adrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, ima45dv8 said: If you really want to impress your friends with how quick you are, impress them with how fast you are reacting to the Beep. Edited March 30, 2022 by adrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: There is no perception problem and no gray area. And yes there is a potential grey area between when you think you heard an audible “beep” and when someone else thinks they do. Everyones perception and reaction time is different. Button push its not debatable I already mentioned no argument there. My first comment I said “I’ve since learned it would be the beep and not the button push” Edited March 30, 2022 by adrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 10 hours ago, ima45dv8 said: If you really want to impress your friends with how quick you are, impress them with how fast you are reacting to the Beep. I think you are misunderstanding. Im not trying to game the timer or impress anyone. Im just asking a technical question about something im wondering about. Instead of replies with the actual information I get a bunch of comments like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSteel Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 There are probably a hundred variables as a push button switch wears with use, different manufacturers, finger pressure, a delay set, the R.O. Ring hitting the case etc., etc. As noted, the Beep itself is the start so if you can detect the button or another sound, that is not the audible start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 16 hours ago, adrone said: Some of our RO's make sure they reset it right after you shoot. So that you can't check the accuracy of your time of course....I make sure not to squad with those. The CED 7000 can recall up to 10 strings. The reset button just has to be pushed before the start button can be pressed again. It doesn't erase your time to hit the reset button on those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, waktasz said: The CED 7000 can recall up to 10 strings. The reset button just has to be pushed before the start button can be pressed again. It doesn't erase your time to hit the reset button on those. but it's still an unprofessional dick move to not be willing to happily show the timer to the shooter, his video guy, and anyone else in the neighborhood who wants a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrone Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, motosapiens said: but it's still an unprofessional dick move to not be willing to happily show the timer to the shooter, his video guy, and anyone else in the neighborhood who wants a look. Its a very small minority who do that but it happens. Usually to whoever that particular RO thinks he is competing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, motosapiens said: but it's still an unprofessional dick move to not be willing to happily show the timer to the shooter, his video guy, and anyone else in the neighborhood who wants a look. What I'm saying is hitting the reset button on these timers doesn't actually do anything. It just readies the timer for the next time you want to hit start. All the stuff is still in there. I probably hit reset about 20 times between shooters because I don't want to get to the point where I go to hit start and the button doesn't work because the reset button hasn't been hit yet. It's just a quirk of the CED 7000 Edited March 31, 2022 by waktasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 29 minutes ago, waktasz said: What I'm saying is hitting the reset button on these timers doesn't actually do anything. It just readies the timer for the next time you want to hit start. All the stuff is still in there. I probably hit reset about 20 times between shooters because I don't want to get to the point where I go to hit start and the button doesn't work because the reset button hasn't been hit yet. It's just a quirk of the CED 7000 Or you can go into the menu and enable auto start, which resets the timer every time you hit start eliminating the need to even use the reset button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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