barrysuperhawk Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I need an AR height red dot optic for a new open shotgun (RIA vr80). Most people seem to run a plain regular red dot, and typically as small as possible. I have a vortex spitfire on another shotgun that I really like. Being a weirdo, I think circle-dot style seems to work better, for me at least and gives me at least a modicum of a pattern reference. But before I bought another spitfire, I figured that I would ask here to see if there were any better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 PXS 2000. Red dot w/ no battery and circuitry. Accurate and reliable in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I use a holosun 510c on my VR80. It has a circle dot reticle. Actually you can switch it between circle dot, dot only, or circle only. It’s solar powered, and or battery. Auto off / shake awake is also nice. Battery life is something crazy, like 50,000 hours. I had a spitfire....... didn’t care for it. It always looked like more than 1x. Holosun is a far better optic, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKJD Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 32 minutes ago, busdriver said: I use a holosun 510c on my VR80. It has a circle dot reticle. Actually you can switch it between circle dot, dot only, or circle only. It’s solar powered, and or battery. Auto off / shake awake is also nice. Battery life is something crazy, like 50,000 hours. I had a spitfire....... didn’t care for it. It always looked like more than 1x. Holosun is a far better optic, in my opinion. I concur with the holosun 510c. Have it on my VEPR after trying several others and am sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDude Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Holosun 510C is great option or any other Mini Red Dot with a riser. Vortex Razor, Delta Point Pro, etc etc. It is really a personal preference and budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 10 hours ago, SeattleDude said: Holosun 510C is great option or any other Mini Red Dot with a riser. Vortex Razor, Delta Point Pro, etc etc. It is really a personal preference and budget And THAT is precisely why I am asking here... I notice that there seems to be both a red and a green version, any thoughts on Color choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Donald Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 3 hours ago, barrysuperhawk said: And THAT is precisely why I am asking here... I notice that there seems to be both a red and a green version, any thoughts on Color choice? Are you red color blind? A friend mine is so he bought a green 510C, I have a red one. To me it doesn't matter, (I have shot his gun) to him it does matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 No, i'm not color blind, just heard on the internet that green is visually more good-er. Since it's only $30 more it didn't seem like an extravagance. The only place I can imaging it making a difference (possibly) is on red targets but that's a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDude Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/2/2019 at 9:45 AM, barrysuperhawk said: And THAT is precisely why I am asking here... I notice that there seems to be both a red and a green version, any thoughts on Color choice? I run Vortex Razor Dot on both of my Open shotguns. 6 Moa. Love them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 Ok, so I just got the green holosun 510, and have it mounted. Thanks for the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubern Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Nice choice! I like the auto on and auto adjust functions of 510 GR Elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Descartian Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 For future post reference the eye and brain pick up red quicker and from farther distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/13/2019 at 8:50 PM, Descartian said: For future post reference the eye and brain pick up red quicker and from farther distances. That seems to be the opposite of what I have read, for example: https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/11/15/laser-sights-red-vs-green/ https://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/accessories/sights-scopes/articles/one-dot-two-dot-red-dot-green-dot-nW0MYnrLXGQudlsz/ https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/red-vs-green-laser-sights/ https://rangerexpert.com/green-dot-vs-red-dot/ I am not trying to be argumentative, the only positive thing I have found on the red vs green subject ids that red is better for night vision (natural, not NVG). Change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmann Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That seems to be the opposite of what I have read, for example:https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/11/15/laser-sights-red-vs-green/https://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/accessories/sights-scopes/articles/one-dot-two-dot-red-dot-green-dot-nW0MYnrLXGQudlsz/https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/red-vs-green-laser-sights/https://rangerexpert.com/green-dot-vs-red-dot/ I am not trying to be argumentative, the only positive thing I have found on the red vs green subject ids that red is better for night vision (natural, not NVG). Change my mind. [emoji16]Exactly the reason i went with red and not green. Doing some night shoots and running nods with my different IR aiming devices, one has a visible red and the other green. You can’t pick green up at all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyr264 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 One thought about red vs green... I've run a EoTech in the past with the red dot. Loved it. Until a night qual course for training happened, where the stage was set in total darkness except for red road flare illumination (and weapon lights of course). The red dot washed out 100%, completely not visible, when looking towards or near any of the burning road flares. I effectively had a dead optic at this time. Granted, this is a unique situation, but something to be aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Well my "backup" optic is a vortex spitfire that does red, green or regular black etched. On a slightly different subject I did run a KONUS M30 1-4x for a while on a rifle, and it had a blue illuminated dot. It wasn't bright enough to be useful in anything BUT a night shoot, but it was cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meeesterpaul Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I bet that 510 will be satisfying. (I like my 507GR) On my VR I've been using a $40 UTG Red and Green SCP-RG40CDQ https://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-utg-4in-ita-red-green-circle-dot-sight-w-integral-qd-picatinny-mount.html. No complaints at all after maybe 1000 rounds so far. I think it could be used with the dot turned off too. It will co-witness the stock sights using the QD base it comes with. The Luth AR Chubby grip is also great. Protrusions to perch thumb, right middle finger and bottom of my hand really spread recoil and make for good grip to reacquire next target. The honeycomb recoil 'pad' of the Adaptive Tactical EX stock is bunny belly soft. The curve in it goes right onto the shoulder for a quick pivot up to the sight. https://www.opticsplanet.com/adaptive-tactical-adtac-ar15-m4-adjustable-stock-mil-spec-polymer-black.html I got a good deal on both of these at Delta but they now send me 4 emails.every.day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUManCOKE Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 11/9/2019 at 7:28 PM, barrysuperhawk said: Ok, so I just got the green holosun 510, and have it mounted. Thanks for the advice. Did you have to run a riser with it? If so which one did you get. I have a VR80 that I'm wanting to put the same dot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 No riser needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH1961 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 11/2/2019 at 5:48 PM, barrysuperhawk said: No, i'm not color blind, just heard on the internet that green is visually more good-er. Since it's only $30 more it didn't seem like an extravagance. The only place I can imaging it making a difference (possibly) is on red targets but that's a stretch. I'm not color blind, either, but my 60&year old eyes seem to pick up GREEN much faster. Every firearm I own either has a NEON green FO front sight (plain BLK rear), or an optic with a GREEN reticle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donno Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Another vote for Holosun. I have it on my Vepr and it is great. Sold my last Vortex dot when it came back from warranty repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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