Hammer002 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 8.6.4 In the event that inadvertent contact from the Range Officer or another external influence has interfered with the competitor during a course of fire, the Range Officer may offer the competitor a reshoot of the course of fire. The competitor must accept or decline the offer prior to seeing either the time or the score from the initial attempt. However, in the event that the competitor commits a safety infraction during any such interference, the provisions of Section 10.3 may still apply. My question is after a discussion with someone I hold to higher rule knowledge than myself who said not every RO touching the competitor during a course of fire is a reshoot. He said its up to RO discretion to offer it. I had always heard that was the interpretation of the rule. From looking at the rule again, I would say he was right, as usual. So why is it we have the situations where competitors are said to purposely run into the RO for a reshoot. Seems its up to the RO. Maybe everyone else knew this but me, however I had read it here many times attributing, humorously, the behavior as common with Open shooters. Edited October 18, 2018 by Hammer002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) If you’re trying to get from A to B, then back to A for an array of targets you realize you forgot, and the RO gets caught in the way? Anything that affects your time should be grounds for a reshoot. I’ve had a ‘timer holder’ quasi-RO place his hand on my shoulder as he said “if finished” on a stage where I was quite obviously done with a very solid run, and while it’s not ideal, I didn’t have a huge problem with it. Edited October 18, 2018 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer002 Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 What was in my mind was how many times I had heard competitors purposely running into the RO to force a reshoot after a bad run. Whats interesting is the conversation came from exactly what you mentioned, Memphis. A new RO did just that, put his hand on the shooter's shoulder and I offered the advice not to do it in the future because someone may demand a reshoot. My friend corrected me to say it was up to the RO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop414 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I would quickly correct any RO that feels the need to place their hand on my shoulder or any other part of my body. Why think that's ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 hours ago, bishop414 said: I would quickly correct any RO that feels the need to place their hand on my shoulder or any other part of my body. Why think that's ok? #poundmetoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 6 hours ago, bishop414 said: I would quickly correct any RO that feels the need to place their hand on my shoulder or any other part of my body. Why think that's ok? Not that i am a toucher, but, lighten up Frances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Well, there was an RO at a Western States Single Stack Championship that got real interested in the proximity of my holster and mag pouches to my hips. He looked creepy close so I just said that if he wanted to get any closer, I get dinner, flowers and a movie first. He seemed a bit put off by my offer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Was an IPSC NROI (15 years) and IROA (5 years) have heard stories of the RO chasers but have never been at a match where it's happened or heard first hand from anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 This me at A8 this year. I admit to shooting a very very poor stage with numerous errors on my part. I realized at the last position I needed a mag on the ground to have enough rounds. As I moved the contact occurred. We both brought it up at ulsc. I quickly agreed and was shot a way better score. Anyways my ugly video of this kind of incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHicks Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Was the mag you picked up a fully loaded mag that was inadvertently knocked loose or a partial mag you dropped during the run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, MHicks said: Was the mag you picked up a fully loaded mag that was inadvertently knocked loose or a partial mag you dropped during the run? Don’t think it matters, that is why you shouldn’t pick up mags until ulsc and stage is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 i had none left on my belt. it was a partial mag from earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer002 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, rowdyb said: i had none left on my belt. it was a partial mag from earlier. That would be how I would think the rule would be correctly used to justify a reshoot. I had just heard so many people talk about it, I bought into it being interpreted as automatic. Has even bled into steel challenge. So many people referencing running into the RO on purpose if the run is bad. I was offered a once reshoot one time cause the RO touched me with the timer. Didn’t want it cause a good run. Several people on the squad said it HAD to be reshot. I declined and didn’t have to by RO decision. All they talked about the rest of the day was bad call by the RO. Even looked up the rule at the time and, because I was so new, I couldn’t make good sense of it. Guess it stuck with me until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I just feel bad that I elbowed him to get out of my way in my frustration. I was first shooter, first stage so evidently neither of us were really warmed up. The RO in my case was very gracious and I felt very very lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer002 Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, rowdyb said: I just feel bad that I elbowed him to get out of my way in my frustration. I was first shooter, first stage so evidently neither of us were really warmed up. The RO in my case was very gracious and I felt very very lucky. Yeah, he seemed a little off guard. Prob should have stopped u for the reshoot when u made it up range from him. Edited October 20, 2018 by Hammer002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHicks Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 22 hours ago, HoMiE said: Don’t think it matters, that is why you shouldn’t pick up mags until ulsc and stage is finished. I know. Just curious because I know Rowdy is a very good shooter and would have a good stage plan. Without dislodging a loaded mag accidentally I'm sure it would be pretty rare to need a previously used mag to finish a stage. He said it was a bad stage for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, MHicks said: I know. Just curious because I know Rowdy is a very good shooter and would have a good stage plan. Without dislodging a loaded mag accidentally I'm sure it would be pretty rare to need a previously used mag to finish a stage. He said it was a bad stage for him. Oh dude, it really was horrible. I wasn't in tears but I was beyond crestfallen as I shot, knowing how many mistakes and crap I had done. I just felt at whits end as I got to move to the last position and knew I was short rounds and had through hubris brought only the bare minimum of mags to finish the stage. But enough of my story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 10:26 AM, bishop414 said: I would quickly correct any RO that feels the need to place their hand on my shoulder or any other part of my body. Why think that's ok? I hate it when they pat your butt after they say make ready. 23 hours ago, HoMiE said: you shouldn’t pick up mags until ulsc and stage is finished. At locals I also try to prevent having a meandering herd of anxious pasters, oblivious practiscore punchers and the camera guy heading downrange. I'm not as worried about giving away a reshoot due to interference as I am about the occasional shooter who dashes uprange for a mag or a mental error resulting in a real safety problem. Edited October 21, 2018 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 6 hours ago, rowdyb said: I just feel bad that I elbowed him to get out of my way in my frustration. Didn't look honery to me in the vid. I would have been upset with me as an r.o. instead of at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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