Make ts trigger heavier?

[sigsauerfan]

On 2/19/2017 at 2:38 PM, Tok36 said:

Interesting stuff.

yep.

 

first time  i  hear  about  someone  who  wants  a  heavier  trigger pull.   and  i'm not   questionning it at all  here.just find  it  interesting,and  i'm eager  to  know  what will be the right fix  to  this  quest.

 

my  TS  has  a  1.5lbs  out the  box.  coming from glocks  it felt  weird  at  first, but  i'm   well used  to it now.  the only  part  that bothers  me  a little  is  the  reset click  isn't has  easy to  perceives  compared  to  the  very positive  glock  CLICK.

Edited June 3, 2018 by sigsauerfan

[hurley326]

Forgot to post this just so you know I’m not pulling your chain. I hear what your saying but do you hear what your saying lol. I understand most people don’t want to increase trigger pull weight in a competition gun but I have NEVER met anyone who wants a 1/3 of pound trigger pull weight. A picture is posted below before I gassed the tanfo sear spring which added another 6 lunches bringing me still to under 1lb.

 

 

[WxGuy]

Contact CGW.  They hooked me up with parts bringing the pull weight up to a more manageable 2.3lbs.  At least I felt better about it.  After all that, I sold the gun.

[bimmer1980]

Sounds like they messed up the hammer/sear connection or something  

[hurley326]

1 hour ago, bimmer1980 said:

Sounds like they messed up the hammer/sear connection or something  

Swapped different hammer and different sear no luck. I’m exhausted. Going to try the double sear spring mid next

[bimmer1980]

2 hours ago, hurley326 said:

Swapped different hammer and different sear no luck. I’m exhausted. Going to try the double sear spring mid next

strange  

[yigal]

3 hours ago, hurley326 said:

Swapped different hammer and different sear no luck. I’m exhaust ed. Going to try the double sear spring mid next

maybe u order their prototype with wireless  trigger system .

[Fasthenk65]

I had the same problem with my TSO... 650 grams and many accidentals. After talking to a real expert the solution:

 

change the trigger for the new aluminium one (then you have room for:) +

 

ad the trigger spring of the Shadow 2.

 

So next to the try of the TSO!!

 

Trigger will go to 1,5 lbs and be perfect. 

[hurley326]

27 minutes ago, Fasthenk65 said:

I had the same problem with my TSO... 650 grams and many accidentals. After talking to a real expert the solution:

 

change the trigger for the new aluminium one (then you have room for:) +

 

ad the trigger spring of the Shadow 2.

 

So next to the try of the TSO!!

 

Trigger will go to 1,5 lbs and be perfect. 

 

I currently do have the aluminum trigger. 1.5 would be exactly what I need.

 

Can you post a picture of how you added a shadow 2 TRS considering they are two completely different springs? See image below, Top is TSO trigger spring and bottom is shadow 2 spring.

 

 

[Fasthenk65]

43 minutes ago, hurley326 said:

 

I currently do have the aluminum trigger. 1.5 would be exactly what I need.

 

Can you post a picture of how you added a shadow 2 TRS considering they are two completely different springs? See image below, Top is TSO trigger spring and bottom is shadow 2 spring.

 

 

Had a gunsmith do it but he made these pics:

[yigal]

B. good gunsmith

but he  can  use  only 1   extra power trigger spring like the original.

no need to make this simple gun  more complicated.

[hurley326]

This is helpful! Thank you


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[Fasthenk65]

1 hour ago, yigal said:

B. good gunsmith

but he  can  use  only 1   extra power trigger spring like the original.

no need to make this simple gun  more complicated.

 

[himurax13]

I figured that installing a 75b hammer would raise the trigger pull without modification, lol.

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[yigal]

7 minutes ago, himurax13 said:

I figured that installing a 75b hammer would raise the trigger pull without modification, lol.

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don't forget  all  sh2  da trigger and other internal guts to make it 5.5lb da  production gun .

[himurax13]

don't forget  all  sh2  da trigger and other internal guts to make it 5.5lb da  production gun .[emoji3]

Well, I dont think you can turn a TS into a DA/SA due to the trigger bar and lack of a disco.

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[hurley326]

38 minutes ago, himurax13 said:

Well, I dont think you can turn a TS into a DA/SA due to the trigger bar and lack of a disco.

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You definitely can’t i don’t know what that guy is even talking about. Wrong gun.

 

last night I added the TRS from the other cz75 series and it did work to increase the pull weight by about  8-10 ounces which was great. I am going to take that out though and add the CGW reduced power TRS and I’m hoping it will only add about 5 ounces and I will be right where I need to be at 1lb total pull weight 

[himurax13]

You definitely can’t i don’t know what that guy is even talking about. Wrong gun.
 
last night I added the TRS from the other cz75 series and it did work to increase the pull weight by about  8-10 ounces which was great. I am going to take that out though and add the CGW reduced power TRS and I’m hoping it will only add about 5 ounces and I will be right where I need to be at 1lb total pull weight 

Or you can carefully make a few gentle tugs on the long leg of the spring that rests on the frame.

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[obsessiveshooter]

Why didn't you send it in for warranty? You clearly got an unsafe gun. The whole point of these guns is that they show up with a fantastic trigger that you dont need to endlessly chase parts for. You are missing out on what you paid for.

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[hurley326]

11 minutes ago, obsessiveshooter said:

Why didn't you send it in for warranty? You clearly got an unsafe gun. The whole point of these guns is that they show up with a fantastic trigger that you dont need to endlessly chase parts for. You are missing out on what you paid for.

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I agree... but when i called CZUSA and told them my trigger pull is 1/3 of pound they said "its normal this is competition gun" like i was some a_-hole who never shot a competition before and didnt know what he bought. I was completely discouraged at that point to send my gun and potentially have them send it back with nothing done and me not only be out the money for shipping but more important be without my brand new gun in the middle of my shooting season. I am capable to handle a pull that light without an AD but i know most wouldn't be. I shot it successfully that entire season and wasnt going to be without the gun i just waited months to get back in stock. After it was already a year passed and winter season i still had bad taste in my mouth about the rep at CZUSA telling me that it was normal. Having a trigger pull at 6 ounces is in no way shape or form normal for almost any gun, let alone a handgun.

 

I installed the normal CZ75 series TRS which is not the same TRS style spring that typically comes on the TSO and that has now successfully got my pull weight up into the 1-1.5 pound range. More importantly i am able to take out all the pre travel that i added to the trigger out of safety concerns and have a much better trigger experience in that regard. I am going to experiment next with using the CGW reduced power TRS which i think will bring it down a little and right in the range i was looking for.

 

Every time i relay this story it gets me fired up that they said that to me. Am i crazy or would that have rubbed you guys the wrong way too for them to say its normal and disregard my concern. I admit they did say i could send it in but i lost all credibility that they even knew what they were talking about at that point.

[obsessiveshooter]

I totally understand and I'd feel the same way. I'm sorry you've had to deal with it for so long!
I'd maybe try to keep in mind that the guy you talked to on the phone is probably the equivalent of the employee behind the gun counter- you cant expect high level expertise from a guy making 10 bucks an hour. I doubt they have their lead gunsmiths answering phones, and I bet that guy you talked to had been given a scripted response for calls from people saying "how can the TS trigger be so light, this cant be safe!".

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[hurley326]

44 minutes ago, obsessiveshooter said:

I totally understand and I'd feel the same way. I'm sorry you've had to deal with it for so long!
I'd maybe try to keep in mind that the guy you talked to on the phone is probably the equivalent of the employee behind the gun counter- you cant expect high level expertise from a guy making 10 bucks an hour. I doubt they have their lead gunsmiths answering phones, and I bet that guy you talked to had been given a scripted response for calls from people saying "how can the TS trigger be so light, this cant be safe!".

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Lol yea I do understand that. I did get bounced around thought to 1-2 people before I spoke to him. It definitely wasn’t their most knowledgeable guy but I did think it was someone that should have known a little more. 

 

I’ll never be the same after that call! Hopefully now after finding a solution I can begin the healing process. 

[Riley]

An old thread I know but here is my solution. 
 

I now have quite a few rounds through the Shadow 2 with the Apex action kit and I really like it.

I’ve installed the same kit in a CZ TSO and it increased the trigger pull nicely. I’m using both the the sear and the hammer from the kit and it fits and functions fine with a few rounds so far. I may swap the stock TSO hammer back in and see how it mates with the Apex sear after this weekend. I’m using a CZ Custom safety and had to slightly relieve the safety where it contacts the sear but it works great now. 
 

The triggers in both the Shadow 2 that’s now SAO and the one in the CZ TSO are very similar in weight, judging by feel, not gauge. I’m very happy with the new set up in the TSO, and though it’s an additional $140, it’s well worth it. 

[Tok36]

I am glad that this thread got bumped. I had not seen this and was unaware that a CZ75 variant TRS could be added to a Tac Sport. Neatest CZ tuning option that i have seen in a while.

[mveto]

When I switched to an extended firing pin and a 13lb main spring in my TS my pull weight dropped to under 1.5lbs from 2lbs stock, I had a few AD’s and felt that the pull was too light. I switched back to the factory firing pin and main spring as well as a Tanfoglio sear spring and now my pull weight is back to just over 2lbs, the heavier sear spring also helped create a more defined wall in the trigger pull.