.40AET Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 I have been reloading piles of Federal brass with no problems. Last night I started having problems seating the primers. I squished a coulple before I examined the cases. All of the problem cases had NT on the headstamp. The primer pockets are .004" smaller than a regular Federal case. Does anyone know anything about these cases? If the primers are removed and the pocket reamed out, then the primers will seat normally. Should I chuck 'em in the trash???? Thanks, Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 As I recall, they're crimped. If you're not loading on a 1050, you might have to ditch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 I think these are the same as the Win NT cases. For Non-Toxic (again, I think) - They ghave a Small Primer (that CCI now sells, and a larger flash hole) From Winchester: 100% Non-Toxic Performs Like Lead I toss them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 It's easiest if you can catch the Federal NT cases after the first use, rather than after a botched reload, as the factory primer is of a "copper" color rather than nickle or brass. Make is really easy to spot these visually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted January 17, 2004 Author Share Posted January 17, 2004 Thanks for the info. I bought a 5 gallon bucket of .40 from my local range and my guess is that someone brought the NT in from somewhere esle. The cases are only showing up 1 or 2 out of a 100 loaded. Now that I know what is goin on, they are easy to spot before enering the press. Thanks, Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Kirk, these were .40S&W cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBF Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 The 45acp Fed NT has REALLY tight primer pockets, small pistol size, instead of large. Between these NT's, Amerc, and 45 Glock ( luckily not seen one yet ), my case sorting has gotten less fun in 45. Travis F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Snyder Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 TBF.... at least the Glock stuff can be spotted as it comes from the case feeder... ran into the first Win NT .45 Auto today.....when I break the first shell plate trying to swage a large primer pocket in one I will probably demand the name of the individual responsible so he/she can be flogged... regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted January 18, 2004 Author Share Posted January 18, 2004 BerKim- Yes, sorry, I tend to overlook the critical details. The cases had the primers crimped, once you get used to the feel, you can pick them out of the press before the primer is smashed into the case. I have a case deburrer that works well to ream the primer pocket. Howerver, I have since decided to throw all of the NT cases away. Reloading is enough work without having to look for this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 Thanks... just one more thing to look for - I thought/assumed you were talking about 45 brass, I didn't know 40's did that too. crap.... This should go in "What I Hate" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 The local PD leaves a lot of 40 brass all over the range I practice at. Unfortunately it's all Federal NT. I leave it where it lays, and just pick up my nickel brass. If Federal starts making NT in nickel I'll be mad. Right now sorting is easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkbrd Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Just found this post after doing a search in referance to this P.O.S. non toxic federal NT 40S&W brass. I just had a primer go off when seating into a Federal NT case, looks like it had a crimp, not to mention the flash hole is about twice the size of normal. Besides scaring the the holy bejeses out of me it added a whole new dimension and problem to sorting brass. As to Caspian28r you can have any of the thin, crack prone, nickel plated brass I throw away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I hate the NT stuff! I have found both Federal and Winchester in my .45 brass. Whoever came up with this idea should be (insert you favorite torture)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted April 14, 2004 Author Share Posted April 14, 2004 Yeah, the stuff sucks. I can usually feel the tighter primer pocket. Sometimes I chuck it, and other times I ream the pocket and keep going. I havn't put a round of NT through the chrono to see how the larger pocket effects the load. Ditto on the nickel brass. It sure looks pretty, but splits quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasag93 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I have run into a few federal 40 NT's lately. I know them by feel now. I just take it out and ream the crimp with a case neck deburring tool and stick it back in and load away. If I start running into several I will file 13 them. One or two out of 100 isn't bad. TXAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Nickel cases do split more often. 38Super cases sometimes go, right behind the back of the bullet. Upside of that is it's much easier with nickel to hear the sound of one split case in a handful of good ones. *TING* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmccrock Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 how the larger pocket effects the load I did an experiment with several headstamps of brass, and I separated Winchester large-hole into its own bin. I only tried .45 brass, but the larger flash hole had no impact on velocity, when compared to other types of Winchester. Going to different brands (R-P, PMC) made a bigger difference. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
encoreman Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 (edited) Hey have any or you run into this? I was loading some brass picked up at a match and found 3 or 4 that would not take a primer. After close inspection it looks as though the primer tops were pushed out with decapper pin, but the body stayed in the brass. Of about 50 pieces of brass only 2 or 3 weren't the Federal NT headstamp. Any solutions? Thanks Mac Moderator Edit: This topic was merged with an existing topic of the same name, which was found by searching on "NT brass". Edited May 5, 2005 by Erik Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargenv Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 you can do two things.. toss them or run them through a pocket primer swager. I chose to sort the NT ones out and toss them. Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Vince is right. The problem is that the NT brass has the primers swaged in. Tough to get them out, tough to get new ones in. Toss 'em in the recycling bin, unless you have a manual or press mounted swager to remove the crimp. Oh, BTW, welcome to the forums. Kevin C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajarrel Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 If I'm not mistaken (which I am with increasing frequency these days!) the primer in the .45 NT rounds are small pistol primers instead of large. Unless you have a bunch of them and want to always fight with them, throw them in the scrap bucket and when you get 100# or so take it to the scrap yard. dj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted May 5, 2005 Author Share Posted May 5, 2005 (edited) Wow, that was a year ago huh?? Edited May 5, 2005 by .40AET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 If I find them before they get a primer I toss them, if they take a primer I finish loading them and then toss them (there not worth the trouble especially in 40 S&W). Still better then small primer 45ACPs though!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 (edited) Never mind Edited May 5, 2005 by Round_Gun_Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folsoml Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 The 45 acp federal NTs definitely use small primers. I was about to smash my reloader when I dicovered this because I thought IT was the problem. My Lee Pro 1000 laods the .40 Federal NTs with no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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