Onepocket Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Legal in PCC??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 No - all mags must start on the belt unless otherwise stipulated in the WSB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 No - all mags must start on the belt unless otherwise stipulated in the WSB. What's your source for this? I can't find anything supporting it. "8.1.4 Unless complying with a Division requirement (see Appendix D), a competitor must not be restricted on the number of rounds to be loaded or reloaded in a handgun. Written stage briefings may only stipulate when the handgun is to be loaded or when mandatory" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueOvalBandit Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 No - all mags must start on the belt unless otherwise stipulated in the WSB. What's your source for this? I can't find anything supporting it. "8.1.4 Unless complying with a Division requirement (see Appendix D), a competitor must not be restricted on the number of rounds to be loaded or reloaded in a handgun. Written stage briefings may only stipulate when the handgun is to be loaded or when mandatory" 5.2.4? During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Unless specifically prohibited in the Written Stage Briefing, a competitor may also carry additional magazines or speed loading devices in apparel pocket(s) and retrieve and use them, providing that the location of the apparel pocket does not violate the requirements of Appendix D, Item 12 (subject to the provisions of Rule 6.2.5.1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 No - all mags must start on the belt unless otherwise stipulated in the WSB. What's your source for this? I can't find anything supporting it. "8.1.4 Unless complying with a Division requirement (see Appendix D), a competitor must not be restricted on the number of rounds to be loaded or reloaded in a handgun. Written stage briefings may only stipulate when the handgun is to be loaded or when mandatory" 5.2.4? During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Unless specifically prohibited in the Written Stage Briefing, a competitor may also carry additional magazines or speed loading devices in apparel pocket(s) and retrieve and use them, providing that the location of the apparel pocket does not violate the requirements of Appendix D, Item 12 (subject to the provisions of Rule 6.2.5.1). THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 And this: PCC 5.1.12 See appendix D8. All other handgun equipment rules apply to PCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedrgr Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Finally got a reply back from Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 31 minutes ago, ChuckS said: This, plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Didnt see that coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 The coupler makes the mags into a single unit - which could be interpreted as one magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 If one has to be removed before the other can be used, they are still two magazines. Kinda surprised they are considered OK, but then again, PCC only competes against PCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, knedrgr said: Finally got a reply back from Troy. OK I'll do it. It is a division, not a class. Edited September 1, 2016 by Gary Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) That answer makes no sense to me from a plain reading of the rules... I would REALLY like to hear the logic behind this opinion. I am not sure why a drop-leg rig would be illegal provided (i) the carrier is attached to the belt, and (ii) does not hang further from the body than the rules allow. If you wanted to be pedantic, the measurement is made perpendicular to the belt, so some part of the mag body might want to be not lower than the bottom of the belt for ease of measurement. Otherwise, how is this different from a drop-offset attachment? The rules are clear that magazines have to start on the belt. What if I wanted to carry two handgun magazines coupled together? Again, being pedantic, one could assert that couplers are legal on magazines that start the stage on the belt, but this is not how they will be used... it makes the most sense to start with the coupled mags in the gun and never have to go to the belt. This will have a HUGE impact on classifiers if it stands. i am not really opposed to either of Troy's assertions, just puzzled. Edited September 1, 2016 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueOvalBandit Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 hour ago, StealthyBlagga said: That answer makes no sense to me from a plain reading of the rules... I would REALLY like to hear the logic behind this opinion. Ditto... I think the NROI should issue a ruling as there seems to be a contradiction.... Not that I care either, I don't even own a PCC, but I don't see how you can get around 5.2.4 given that 5.1.12 says all handgun rules apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 I think the problem is that the person asking the question does not want to use mag pouches that are attached to the belt, or does not want to use mag pouches that are attached to the belt exclusively. Drop leg panel -- sounds like the pouches would be attached to the panel, not to the belt directly, especially since there's reference to a security strap around the leg. Remove the security strap around the leg, and you might have a better change of success -- but now you need to create something akin to a BOSS holster hanger for each pouch, to ensure that you'll actually be draw the mag in a reasonable period of time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Troy's answer contradicts the rules, it's pretty clear they aren't allowed per the rules. Is this a change to the rules or does DNROI have the ability to change rules by answering a question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Troy's answer contradicts the rules, it's pretty clear they aren't allowed per the rules. Is this a change to the rules or does DNROI have the ability to change rules by answering a question?There is no change in the rules. DNROI has the authority to interpret the rules. So it's really a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, peterthefish said: There is no change in the rules. DNROI has the authority to interpret the rules. So it's really a non-issue. this is changing the rules, not just an interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 Once I found the TF 41 round magazine it became a non isssue with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Onepocket said: Once I found the TF 41 round magazine it became a non isssue with me. This would make a big difference on Classifiers with mandatory reloads Edited September 2, 2016 by Patrick Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 I dont worry or care about classsifiers. The classification system is shot to death and out dated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Onepocket said: I dont worry or care about classsifiers. The classification system is shot to death and out dated. I can't completely disagree with you, but there are still match points on the table, even if only a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 Im not saying i wont buy a coupler if i find one i like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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