How Often Do You Shoot Revolver?

[PatJones]

One can always shoot an 8 shot revolver in USPSA Limited, Limited-10, Production and perhaps Single Stack.

But then the combined results wouldn't say "revolver"next to my name....

[Blueridge]

I shoot revolver primarily, and even use it in the local 3gun matches that I participate in. My USPSA, IDPA, and Steel Challenge revolver is a Ruger Alaskan loaded with 45 Colt. My 3gun revolver is a S&W 625.

I have been participating in shooting sports since 2005 and with the exception of 1 IDPA match using a Beretta 92D, I have used a revolver. I have yet to burn out, but that is because of several factors. First of all I don't shoot as many matches as I would imagine several of you do (that have felt burn out), and that is due to shooting sports being my secondary hobby. I was a collegiate varsity athlete back in the late eighties in the sport of fencing, and I primarily compete in those matches. After a decade off after college I came back to the sport in December of 1999. From 2000 through 2015 I have qualified for 15 of the 16 US Fencing Nationals, and competed in 13 of them (I did not qualify in 2008, and could not make the trip in 2014). I qualified for the US Fencing Nationals This year (qualifying my 16th time )and will be competing in two events (I usually qualify and compete in 2-4 events).

Sorry for drifting from the core question....

Anyway I compete in sport shooting in addition when I have the time. I have competed in local, a number of state/sectional matches, Area 6 this year, and Revolver Nationals once. The variety of activity with both fencing and shooting sports keeps me from getting burned out on either.

I am considering shooting Revolver and Single Stack at the Memphis Charity Challenge this coming October, but only because I am able to compete in both for score on different days. I currently hold to using a 6 shot revolver, and have no interest in obtaining an 8 shot revolver. That may change, but I don't think anytime soon.

It is a bit disheartening to see the small contingent of revolver shooters at most matches, but I choose to keep shooting revolver in matches no matter the number of fellow revolver shooters.

Touche'

Just competed in the PowerAde State Games of NC, and I earned the Veteran (40+) category Epee silver medal. This qualifies me for the 2017 State Games Of America that will be held in Grand Rapids MI. I decided to wear the AREA 6 USPSA match shirt when I went to the podium to receive my medal. The medal happened to color coordinate with the shirt.

Edited June 20, 2016 by Blueridge

[firewood]

Mostly revolver for me.

[Carmoney]

You certainly can't legally shoot a revolver in Single-Stack Division. And there is a special division just for revolvers that is called Revolver Division!

[Alaskan454]

Single stack was a stretch, but I guess I never considered production as a possibility.

[seanc]

Single stack was a stretch, but I guess I never considered production as a possibility.

Production rules specifically exempt ammo carrier position if you happen to shoot a revolver, but you need to use a production legal holster.

[revoman]

You can shoot it in open.

[revoman]

This is from the production approved list.

"(Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 8.5" is approved) All ported models of approved guns are approved for use in Production and Carry Optics, as long as the barrel is not ported."

So are ports allowed or not? This seemed funny to me and why not just say no ported models.

[Scootertheshooter]

This is from the production approved list.

"(Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 8.5" is approved) All ported models of approved guns are approved for use in Production and Carry Optics, as long as the barrel is not ported."

So are ports allowed or not? This seemed funny to me and why not just say no ported models.[/quote

Sounds like a 929 scene where the barrel isn't ported just the cap.

[revoman]

This is from the production approved list.

"(Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 8.5" is approved) All ported models of approved guns are approved for use in Production and Carry Optics, as long as the barrel is not ported."

So are ports allowed or not? This seemed funny to me and why not just say no ported models.[/quote

Sounds like a 929 scene where the barrel isn't ported just the cap.

Makes sense to me now.

[GMM50]

You certainly can't legally shoot a revolver in Single-Stack Division. And there is a special division just for revolvers that is called Revolver Division!

USPSA Rule Book

— Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal.

So you definitely can't shoot a revolver in Single Stack Division.

[Stevenb]

The next couple of IPSC super Sundays I'll be shooting a revolver, a 686. Also toying with the idea of running the 627 Vcomp in open for one of them.

[Almo]

Rarely. I shoot it mostly for fun. But, then, I'm relatively new to the "new" revolver game. I only recently got my first 8-shooter. In the old days, I used to shoot it at almost every match, along with my auto. I won revolver class frequently. But it was a different game back then. My old 6-shot revolvers without moon clips wouldn't be as competitive today.

[Alaskan454]

I'm shooting a speedloader fed 38 for the first time this Saturday. I've been shooting clipped guns for so long it's time to finally give it a shot.

[jsg]

This is year of the Revolver for me. I have been shooting a 625 in IDPA and 627 in USPSA with only two exceptions this year (5 or 6 local matches a month). Usually I just shoot the 625 in the winter and go to single stack for USPSA and IDPA in the spring, summer, and fall.

The rule change for the 8 shot actually got me to go Revo in USPSA. Seems that puts me in the minority but I hated the standing reloads I frequently had to make with a 6 shot.

[Carmoney]

jsg, you're actually in the majority, but in this case the majority is not as vocal about its feelings on the subject.

We ran a poll awhile back, and it ran roughly 2 to 1 in favor of allowing 8-shot.

Edited July 16, 2016 by Carmoney

[Forrest Halley]

The game changed when you went from six to eight. It pushed some people out. Accept that fact. It wasn't all roses going to eight. I seem to know more former revolver shooters than newer.

The only .45 revolver rounds I load these days are .45 CS for CAS.

As far as allowances for revolver division, I'm for anything that increases participation, but I can do the math and see that standing reloads were a fun part of the division that are a killer of six shooters.

I think a scoring allowance should have been made for major PF to need only one A hit for full target points to keep up with the eight. You'd have seen that the reloads would have been a wash. Of course the Classifier stages would still be a mess, but you wouldn't have written the six into the history books.

[Carmoney]

Standing reloads are not a fun part of any division! Standing reloads suck.

[Carmoney]

There may be a few true purists out there, but most of the people who bitch about the "death of the 6-shooter" are really just whining about having to spend money on new equipment. There's really no other reason to complain about it. Going to 8 rounds between loads makes the game way more fun--yet still plenty challenging compared to any other division.

[Forrest Halley]

Standing reloads are not a fun part of any division! Standing reloads suck.

Your opinion. It was a part of the division that caused greater complexity and risk vs reward math. Just because you didn't like it...doesn't mean it needed fixing.

With standing reloads and Revolver shooters that didn't whine we once had a 90% revo squad that flew through stages so quickly compared to open and limited squads.

There may be a few true purists out there, but most of the people who bitch about the "death of the 6-shooter" are really just whining about having to spend money on new equipment. There's really no other reason to complain about it. Going to 8 rounds between loads makes the game way more fun--yet still plenty challenging compared to any other division.

Going to eight rounds made it into a more single stackesque game. So how many folks went over to single stack as opposed to going out an buying an eight shot?

No consideration was given to the nature of the game changing because the folks that wanted the change so badly already had eight shots(Carmoney and friends) or were already eight shot programmed(Leatham and friends). We can't blame Jerry because he knew his days were over and just walked away. The rest of us didn't have 8 shots. I had .38's, .357's, .40's, 10mm's, and .45's ALL IN SIX SHOT. I am not whining about buying new equipment as I enjoy my 929's, but I think it was IGNORANT and FOOLISH to have made it a NECESSARY EVIL which killed the six shot minor. No MD ever has cared to do a six shot neutral COF so congratulations on writing the six shot revolver into the USPSA history books. I know a guy who made GM with six shot minor. There's no way to do that now.

The only real challenge remaining is the trigger pull as opposed to a semi. Your revolver will not show you the love like an M&P9 if you pull it out and just go to a match without any practice after a few months.

I am never going to let people forget who ruined Revolver. Same lines as when you pushed for the change. Those who oppose it are whiners they don't understand how this is a good thing...there will be a great surge in participation... There sure wasn't any surge in participation where I shoot. The Great Leap Forward!???

[underlug]

Standing reloads are not a fun part of any division! Standing reloads suck.

Your opinion. It was a part of the division that caused greater complexity and risk vs reward math. Just because you didn't like it...doesn't mean it needed fixing.

With standing reloads and Revolver shooters that didn't whine we once had a 90% revo squad that flew through stages so quickly compared to open and limited squads.

There may be a few true purists out there, but most of the people who bitch about the "death of the 6-shooter" are really just whining about having to spend money on new equipment. There's really no other reason to complain about it. Going to 8 rounds between loads makes the game way more fun--yet still plenty challenging compared to any other division.

Going to eight rounds made it into a more single stackesque game. So how many folks went over to single stack as opposed to going out an buying an eight shot?

No consideration was given to the nature of the game changing because the folks that wanted the change so badly already had eight shots(Carmoney and friends) or were already eight shot programmed(Leatham and friends). We can't blame Jerry because he knew his days were over and just walked away. The rest of us didn't have 8 shots. I had .38's, .357's, .40's, 10mm's, and .45's ALL IN SIX SHOT. I am not whining about buying new equipment as I enjoy my 929's, but I think it was IGNORANT and FOOLISH to have made it a NECESSARY EVIL which killed the six shot minor. No MD ever has cared to do a six shot neutral COF so congratulations on writing the six shot revolver into the USPSA history books. I know a guy who made GM with six shot minor. There's no way to do that now.

The only real challenge remaining is the trigger pull as opposed to a semi. Your revolver will not show you the love like an M&P9 if you pull it out and just go to a match without any practice after a few months.

I am never going to let people forget who ruined Revolver. Same lines as when you pushed for the change. Those who oppose it are whiners they don't understand how this is a good thing...there will be a great surge in participation... There sure wasn't any surge in participation where I shoot. The Great Leap Forward!

+1

I lost friends in the division who had their equipment obsoleted so stopped shooting. I stopped with them even though I owned 4 8 shots (so it was not an equipment issue with me. personally). But telling people to go and spend a grand to keep shooting the division was no way to grow it. Trying to tell people that their equipment was still competitive (especially at the local level) or to "take the challenge" was intellectually pathetic.

Changing "the Nationals" to a minor. one day event appended to the Single Stack with limited courses stuck in PASA to benefit a certain select few made traveling to it unappetizing to me. People seem to be figuring that one out now.

Just when you think you might want to come back, the Memphis Charity Classic, which as originally run would have been a great "Nationals", has become a series of one day same courses which now includes "single stack"

There still has not been a true test of Revolver division. A stand alone, multi day, major match. Open it up with 2 classes: *8 shot minor and, if there are any of them left, 6 shot major/minor. Hell, add in an open class.

If you want to expand participation, that is all that can be done.

[revoman]

Standing reloads are not a fun part of any division! Standing reloads suck.

Your opinion. It was a part of the division that caused greater complexity and risk vs reward math. Just because you didn't like it...doesn't mean it needed fixing.

With standing reloads and Revolver shooters that didn't whine we once had a 90% revo squad that flew through stages so quickly compared to open and limited squads.

There may be a few true purists out there, but most of the people who bitch about the "death of the 6-shooter" are really just whining about having to spend money on new equipment. There's really no other reason to complain about it. Going to 8 rounds between loads makes the game way more fun--yet still plenty challenging compared to any other division.

Going to eight rounds made it into a more single stackesque game. So how many folks went over to single stack as opposed to going out an buying an eight shot?

No consideration was given to the nature of the game changing because the folks that wanted the change so badly already had eight shots(Carmoney and friends) or were already eight shot programmed(Leatham and friends). We can't blame Jerry because he knew his days were over and just walked away. The rest of us didn't have 8 shots. I had .38's, .357's, .40's, 10mm's, and .45's ALL IN SIX SHOT. I am not whining about buying new equipment as I enjoy my 929's, but I think it was IGNORANT and FOOLISH to have made it a NECESSARY EVIL which killed the six shot minor. No MD ever has cared to do a six shot neutral COF so congratulations on writing the six shot revolver into the USPSA history books. I know a guy who made GM with six shot minor. There's no way to do that now.

The only real challenge remaining is the trigger pull as opposed to a semi. Your revolver will not show you the love like an M&P9 if you pull it out and just go to a match without any practice after a few months.

I am never going to let people forget who ruined Revolver. Same lines as when you pushed for the change. Those who oppose it are whiners they don't understand how this is a good thing...there will be a great surge in participation... There sure wasn't any surge in participation where I shoot. The Great Leap Forward!

+1

I lost friends in the division who had their equipment obsoleted so stopped shooting. I stopped with them even though I owned 4 8 shots (so it was not an equipment issue with me. personally). But telling people to go and spend a grand to keep shooting the division was no way to grow it. Trying to tell people that their equipment was still competitive (especially at the local level) or to "take the challenge" was intellectually pathetic.

Changing "the Nationals" to a minor. one day event appended to the Single Stack with limited courses stuck in PASA to benefit a certain select few made traveling to it unappetizing to me. People seem to be figuring that one out now.

Just when you think you might want to come back, the Memphis Charity Classic, which as originally run would have been a great "Nationals", has become a series of one day same courses which now includes "single stack"

There still has not been a true test of Revolver division. A stand alone, multi day, major match. Open it up with 2 classes: *8 shot minor and, if there are any of them left, 6 shot major/minor. Hell, add in an open class.

If you want to expand participation, that is all that can be done.

ICORE do I need to say more ✌

[cas]

I believe that the issue is that with the inclusion of the 8 shot revolver, a good number of the regular 6 shot revolver shooters who did or do not wish to change to the higher capacity gun became disheartened and moved to other divisions.

A few years ago my answer would have been most matches. Now my answer is never. I gave it up when the vocal minority ruined it, IMO. You don't save a division by making everyone's gun obsolete.

Edited July 17, 2016 by cas

[Alaskan454]

Since USPSA added CO and PCC, why not add an open revolver category? If they did I'd shoot it, whenever I get around to buying an 8 shooter I'll be shooting it in Open anyway. I just prefer using a red dot.

[MWP]

Since USPSA added CO and PCC, why not add an open revolver category? If they did I'd shoot it, whenever I get around to buying an 8 shooter I'll be shooting it in Open anyway. I just prefer using a red dot.

Someone should email the prez and ask about letting a revo with dot into CO, we can shoot them in production, maybe they'll let us stick a dot on.