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Pins are for getting the inside of the case squeaky clean, especially the primer pocket and flash hole. If you don't use pins (and/or you don't de-prime first), you may as well just use a vibratory and save yourself a lot of trouble.

If you're not using pins, not sure why you'd use a rotary at all unless that's all you have. If dust is an issue you can use the lid that came with your vibratory and run the media slightly moist or throw a couple dryer sheets in there.

As to running a rotary dry with no media and just letting the cases rub against each other, I don't know if there are any drawbacks (other than not cleaning the inside of the cases at all), but I wonder if all that brass crashing around in there might work harden it.

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It's not the soap that's a concern, Dish and car soap won't hurt brass. Just make sure there's no ammonia or bleach in it and you're fine. Drown your brass in it if it floats your boat.

It's the Lemishine that's a problem. The effects of long term and/or high concentrations of the salt and acid in Lemishine aren't well documented. We know even a small amount will leach the zinc out of the brass over time (usually overnight) causing a color shift from yellow to a pinkish color. Cartridge brass is yellow because it's 70% copper and 30% zinc, once it starts shifting towards red (copper color) as dezincification occurs, it becomes very brittle. This pink brass is unsafe to use in a firearm.

If a little bit of Lemishine used for a short period works perfectly, why waste money and risk damaging your brass by using more of it?

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I am thinking of going with straight soap and eliminating water since I found this:

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The more soap I use, the harder it is to rinse. The more Lemishine I use, I find it discolors the brass. I find 1 TBSP of Dawn and 1/2 TSP of Lemishine works well for my purposes (FA tumbler and my well water) resulting in perfectly clean and shiny brass. YMMV.

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you people are a bad influence. i found myself the other day once again disliking the taste of lead dust and corncob in my mouth, so i had to order one of these wet tumblers!

One of us! One of us!

lol you will not look back its the best thing i did

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The reason I use laundry detergent instead of dish detergent is I found it easier and quicker to rinse. I don't find it takes much time to sort the pins out and like that they remove the crap inside the case, I mean dirt and debris that gets in there from the mud and crap on the ranges.

As for dryer sheets yeah used to use those when I tumbled dry, dust still got everywhere. Wet is, for me, the only way to go.

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The reason I use laundry detergent instead of dish detergent is I found it easier and quicker to rinse. I don't find it takes much time to sort the pins out and like that they remove the crap inside the case, I mean dirt and debris that gets in there from the mud and crap on the ranges.

As for dryer sheets yeah used to use those when I tumbled dry, dust still got everywhere. Wet is, for me, the only way to go.

Laundry soap: liquid or powder?

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Cabelas has the Frankford Arsenal tumbler on sale and also has a $20 off special. http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/reloading/case-cleaning%7C/pc/104792580/c/104761080/sc/104661180/frankford-arsenal-platinum-series-rotary-tumbler/1811194.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fcase-cleaning%2F_%2FN-1100197%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104661180

Just ordered one for Mrs Pirate to put under the xmas tree.

I had plans printed and was just about ready to start ordering bearings, shafts, motor and pipe for the drum when I saw this on sale. No way I can build one for that price.

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Yes...found that myself this morning and ordered one. Plus, I had it sent to my local store, so no shipping.

Still had to pay sales tax, so it ended up around $143.

Bob

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Guys, my first experiences with this are less than spectacular.

First, I used the detergent that comes with the machine. The cases became clean, but dark, not even nearly as bright and shiny as the ones from the regular tumbler.

I then tried the derergent with Lemi Shine, for three hours. The cases came out brighter, but still not nearly as nice as from the traditional tumbler.

Now, maybe I put in too many cases? It was .45 brass, filling up about 70-80% of the drum volume - is that too much? No pins.

How to make the brass brighter? More Lemi Shine? Less brass per load? Longer times?

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Sounds like way too much brass, and you won't get nearly the abrasive effect without pins. When I use my smaller tumbler from Harbor Freight, I go with 1 lb each of pins, brass, and water. I would assume that a similar ratio would be best for the larger tumbler, although you will most likely only go with 5# of pins. When I get my Frankford tumbler running, am planning on limiting it to 10 lbs of brass per run until I see how it comes out. Using my current tumbler, the brass comes out very clean and shiny, but I wouldn't say that it has a polished finish.

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Guys, my first experiences with this are less than spectacular.

First, I used the detergent that comes with the machine. The cases became clean, but dark, not even nearly as bright and shiny as the ones from the regular tumbler.

I then tried the derergent with Lemi Shine, for three hours. The cases came out brighter, but still not nearly as nice as from the traditional tumbler.

Now, maybe I put in too many cases? It was .45 brass, filling up about 70-80% of the drum volume - is that too much? No pins.

How to make the brass brighter? More Lemi Shine? Less brass per load? Longer times?

How much detergent did you use? How much Lemishine? The FA solution and Lemishine are basically the same thing, I'd use a true detergent (like Dawn) with one of those two.

Did you have lube on your brass?

It shouldn't take longer, your brass can be pretty shiny after 60-90 minutes in my experience if you get the solution correct.

I typically will fill the drum 80%-90% with brass and pins (although admittedly it does a little better if filled a little less) before adding water up to 95% (and the detergent and Lemishine).

My recommendation, fill the drum 75% with brass then fill with hot water and your ingredients (I'd try 1 tbsp of Dawn, 1/2 tsp of the FA detergent or 1/2 tsp of Lemishine) and run it for 90 minutes.

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I see some people mention Dawn - is there something special about it? I used what I had on hands - Arms and Hammer - is that not good enough?

Dish washing soap of nearly any type would be good (Dawn, Ivory, etc.). What Arm and Hammer? Baking soda, laundry detergent, do they make a dish detergent?

My recommendation, fill the drum 75% with brass then fill with hot water and your ingredients (I'd try 1 tbsp of Dawn, 1/2 tsp of the FA detergent or 1/2 tsp of Lemishine) and run it for 90 minutes.

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