packeagle Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 8.9.5 Specially made pockets for magazine stowage after a reload may not be used. I'm making a vest for use as an IDPA concealment garment. I am working on the pockets right now. I have two pockets about the size of BDU cargo pockets. If I place a mag in them after a reload with retention, is this a violation of the rule. I've seen some other vests with large pockets used, some even "made to order." What say ye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packeagle Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Kind of vague, but I think I get it. I figure I can keep it inline with 5.11 or the Cabela's safari size and I should be OK, but my reading of rules literally, "the spirit of IDPA", and what I see matches don't always line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobetter Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Make sense? I use this line almost daily. It's applicable in a lot of situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Whether it's within the rules or not probably depends on whether you shoot really fast and accurately and move really fast. The better you shoot, the more likely a rule will be found to prevent you from doing so, unless your name is bob vogel. I personally would say that ANY match-only vest is totally against the spirit of IDPA and makes a joke of the whole sport and would get you iced in the streets (meow), but obviously my opinion is not shared by anyone with any influence over IDPA rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packeagle Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Motosapiens,That is kind of my point in my last post. I shoot IDPA because I'm close to an IDPA club and its fun, It's a game. I'm a MM and I shoot just in the top half of that class around here. so, I don't feel that a vest is going to win or lose a match for me, and a "High SSP MM" trophy isn't all that prestigious anyway... I really am not aiming to gain an unfair advantage over people who purchase their vests. I just know how to sew and enjoy making my own equipment for my hobbies. The deal is if it is custom made, and I have intent to stow magazines in the pocket. One could attempt to DQ or FTDR becasue I specially made the pocket to stow magazines no matter what its actual design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Off topic, but you've touched on what becomes bigger issues the more you spend time in IDPA. Real life. Intent. Subjectiveness. Competitor versus tactical. Picture "air quotes" around all of those. Have your vest made or make it yourself if you're handy with fabric. But as you heard, just don't make it extreme and you'll probably be fine. Ah, but what is extreme? hahahah. Probably be fine? When would or wouldn't you? hahahahah. Just like the cleat rule recently. Saw people at a match just last week where no way in heck would I call the shoes, straight up football cleats, be legal due to intent. Fingernail test? pffft, that's silly and sooo arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packeagle Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 I started my project first and read the rule mid way through. Just trying to get some feedback before I show up to a major match with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 fwiw in 15 major matches all over the US the only vest issues i've seen are for ones too short to cover the gun during the scarecrow test and for people putting patches on the lower pockets. d on't exceed what 5.11 or armadillo does and you'll "probably" be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packeagle Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Yeah, feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point. But... Cabela's safari vest: 8"x8" pocket with 1.5 inch added to 3 sides. My pocket: 8"x10" pocket with 2x 1" pleats. Edited March 26, 2015 by packeagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I don't get a vibe off of you that you are trying to "cheat", so i doubt very many other people will either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The only thing I've used my pockets for is storing pastors. On occasion I'll perform a parlor trick and use my strong side vest pocket for a RWR, but it's nothing I'd risk doing in a major match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig N Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 The pockets on my Dillo vest aren't specially made for mag stowage. They are pockets that you can stow anything in. You can't outlaw something without defining it and there is a ton of stuff not defined in the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROBIKE101 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 ARE MY POCKETS A PROBLEM NOW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hostetter Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 You can't put patches on your vest pockets? Why would that be illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 patches on upper pocket ok, patches on lower pocket no. reasoning i heard is it is considered a stiffener to the pocket. too gamer, adding something to the pocket to keep it open for a rwr and such. and that word "intent" rears its ugly head again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Can we add "intent" to the file with "real life"? So each time someone uses either a kitten dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal82 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Going a different route what vests are you guys wearing? I have an old Woolrich lightweight vest that I like but I've worn holes on the inside from the gun. Time to shop for a new vest and there are not many options these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWNZRO Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Just ordered one of these after using a friend's this weekend: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/tact-gear-tactical-vest?a=467706 Seems pretty solid for the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daytona955i Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Just ordered one of these after using a friend's this weekend: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/tact-gear-tactical-vest?a=467706 Seems pretty solid for the price. Pretty much a direct copy of the 5.11 vest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny10 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I took the sleeves off of a bdu shirt. Works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal82 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Just ordered one of these after using a friend's this weekend: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/tact-gear-tactical-vest?a=467706 Seems pretty solid for the price. Pretty much a direct copy of the 5.11 vest. That's what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWNZRO Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Just ordered one of these after using a friend's this weekend: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/tact-gear-tactical-vest?a=467706 Seems pretty solid for the price. Pretty much a direct copy of the 5.11 vest. That's what I was thinking. Yep it sure is and for half the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 your pocket looks fine.. if a SO notices that then you have already got the finger for several other things.. I've worn out 2 Cabelas vests other the years and just about have a Columbia vest worn out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Lemme see if I have this right. IDPA says gun must be concealed. Vests are OK. But some vests are not OK? Well, which ones, or are we back to Tribal Rules and whatever the local newly-annointed SO says? I thought that sort of thing was supposed to be done away with in the new Rule Book". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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