MikeFoley Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 One more thing, this is practical shooting, and you don't get much more practical than the sturdy, reliable, simple, powerful revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 One more thing, this is practical shooting, and you don't get much more practical than the sturdy, reliable, simple, powerful revolver. Continued use of common sense and the term "practical" may get you barred from several forums and at least one shooting discipline. Tread lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 One more thing, this is practical shooting, and you don't get much more practical than the sturdy, reliable, simple, powerful revolver. Continued use of common sense and the term "practical" may get you barred from several forums and at least one shooting discipline. Tread lightly. LOL That's great! There does seem to be little use of common sense and practicality these days, though the demand is still very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 You can also shoot the 8 shot Revolvers in L-10, although you have to shoot minor if it is less than 40 cal (I think they all are). Revolver is completely different kind of shooting than any other division. You can take a production gun like a Glock and put in a hicap mag with a +5 pad and compete pretty evenly with the limited guys or move you mag holders to the front and shoot L-10. You can take a full race limited gun and load 10 rounds in your mags and shoot L-10. And so on. All that shooting is very similar. Open, limited, and L-10 are all basically the same 1911 style gun with different modifications or in some cases the exact same gun (L and L-10). Add production and you have to use different accessories and locations but the shooting techniques and principles are the same. Revolver is like nothing else. Just to reload even with a moonclip takes a lot more than strong and hit mag release; weak hand insert new mag. On a 30 round course of fire, I will switch the gun from strong to weak hand and back 4 times if I don't miss (and that’s not very likely ). It is not for everyone. . Just the 9 shot rule means that course design takes every other division into account except revo. Most of the people, who shoot revolver, do it because they enjoy the challenge of it. It is harder than the other divisions but it will also make you a better shooter. Revolvers were shooting this game before S_I and Glock came to be. We will endeavor to persevere...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Has anybody else tried shooting an 8-shot in Production? It's a non-trivial undertaking just to be compliant with the rules, and you're still nowhere near competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 One more thing, this is practical shooting, and you don't get much more practical than the sturdy, reliable, simple, powerful revolver. Hooah! Revolver is completely different kind of shooting than any other division. Most of the people, who shoot revolver, do it because they enjoy the challenge of it. So true. Shooting a revolver requires completely different gun handling skills than shooting an auto. For me, that's where the fun is. You get more time behind the trigger (unless you're on a roll ) and you're always doing something with the gun. I've noticed that most revolver shooters are real passionate when it comes to shooting their wheelguns. I also think that's also where the small number of shooters comes from. Rob Leatham shoots Production, Limited & Open. Dave S. shoots Production and Limited once in a while. Todd Jarrett shoots Limited, Open and Production. Matt Burkett shoots all auto classes. Can you imagine any of them with a revolver in their hands? I can't without a little grin on my face. It's a different game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRodriguez Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Most of the top auto shooters would not have a problem with shooting a revolver and running towards the top of the pack. Angus Hobdell won the limited title several years ago with a 625 at the IRC, and that's a hell of a thing considering he only practiced several months with it. Unless S&W put Springfield Armory on the side of one of there guns, I don't think Robbie L would shoot a revolver, he's just that loyal to them. The rest of the auto crowd, there are all probably intimitaded by having to shoot against Jerry, that guy is just a animal. At the 2003 IRC, I had my first chance to shoot with Jerry during the classification match there. I ended up having to go and shoot with a different squad, because seeing Jerry shoot made me shoot over my head, and I shoot regularly with Vic Pickett, and he's unreal with a 8-shot. The biggest problem that the revolver shooters face are all the so-so shooter, and wanabes. They don't understand the lure of shooting a revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrettone Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I loooooove my wheelie gun, and don't want to see any "consolidation" or elimination of my most beloved division. Bottom Line: If you build it, they will come!!! Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Yeah that's why I left Angus out I know he rocks with a wheelgun. I also know that the Top Dogs would be Top Dogs with a wheelgun. But I think most of them don't cross over because it's so different. The biggest problem that the revolver shooters face are all the so-so shooter, and wanabes. They don't understand the lure of shooting a revolver. Do you mean the so so non-revo shooters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Sestock About your poll, If you go by your own numbers and you go to the average club level match in our neck of the woods you will never have more than 2 revolver shooters per match. At My local club we average 7 shooters per match and there is always 1 revolver shooter and we have had as many as 4 at the same time and there were 12 shooters that day. At the Memphis match they average 23 shooters a match and I shoot mine and there are 3 there that shoot thiers as a second gun sometime. Your own numbers say 8% of classied revolvers in Data base so that would be .8 revolvers for every 10 shooters so you would need 20 plus shooters to get a whole revoler there. (see my club, 1 in 7 sometimes more) and Mempis too... I do believe that revolver division will grow some, due to the unrest in IDPA but we (USPSA shooters) must not tell them they can't shoot their stuff because it was not popular in the past. I.E. discontinue the division. (THREAD DRIFT) If we want to embrace the unsatisfied IDPA shooters WE (USPSA Local clubs all the way to the top at SEDRO) Must extend welcome and make sure they know there is a place for them to shoot their gear without having to get more. (L-10, Production, and Revolver. Leave it alone or if anything allow "OPEN REVOLVER" to generate more interest and participation.... ICORE has almost even number of OPEN vs. Standard revolvers why not get them too? Well going to go reload .308 for 3-gun I have rambled enough. SAM KEEN / Hopalong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Maybe the "toppest" of the top dogs would do OK with a revolver if forced to shoot one, simply because they have such highly-developed physical coordination and (probably more importantly) extreme motivation and competitive drive. HOWEVER: Most Revolver shooters can shoot an auto to at least the same class as they can shoot the wheelgun; generally, a B-class revolver shooter can pick up an auto and quickly shoot his way to B-class in L-10, for example. This is most certainly not true in reverse. Toppest dogs aside, your typical local hero M or GM tends to be an equipment specialist, and will not fare at all well with a wheelgun. The moral of this, I think, is that revolver shooting helps you shoot an auto, but auto shooting doesn't help you shoot a revolver. Or so it seems to me. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Gosh, I really don't know if it matters one bit how well a bottom feeder shooter would do with a wheelie or how well a wheelgunner would do with an Open blaster. However, I see guys here proclaiming a good auto shooter would fair well with a revolver and vice-versa. The classifier scores on the USPSA Web site don't seem to show a correlation. I see high A and M class shooters with a wheelgun struggling with an auto and I see GM auto shooters sucking canal water with a wheelgun. It boils down to which platform a person is devoted to, not how the gun functions. Furthermore, a person's skill level doesn't dictate their fun factor. Even the D class revolver shooters have a right to their place on the playground. Let the guys shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Hold the phone. I don't shoot Revolver, but now someone is telling me because I don't shoot I don't even get to have an opinion? I don't think so. With all due respect, get off your horse and come down to Earth with the rest of us. I don't understand the lure of a revolver. Does that make me a so-so shooter and a wannabe? My opinion is that Revolver should stay it's own seperate division as it is now. (Since my opinion coincided with yours, do I still not get to have one?) There is no reason to get rid of the division. It doesn't pull near the amount of shooters the other divisions do, so what, it is not hurting anything so why screw with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Yeah, what Jake said. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Ron, I was merely saying that the number of shooters in Revo are probably so low, because the division gets very few "cross-over-shooters" (except for people like you of course, Mr. MX5 ) It's just not attractive for a lot of Top Dogs to D class auto shooters to put their guns away and learn a whole new set of gun handling skills. I can understand that. I've been dying to take up Production or Open, but the big matches this year, where I want to shoot revolver prevent me from doing that. So, yes, you're right. It's all about devotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Is this about revolvers in the game or setting up stages at a match that have to be able to fit for the revolver shooters? Two different topics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I'll tell you what to do with the revolver shooters: leave us alone. Don't condescend to us, by saying you'll design stages "fair for revolvers." I didn't pick the wheelgun to be treated like a kid off the short bus. Design whatever your devious mind comes up with, and let me solve the problem. And when I'm done, don't shortchange my efforts by saying how I could have done it a lot faster than I had if only I'd been using whatever you shot. If you follow that line of reasoning, we'd all be shooting Open guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Another vote for "leave revolver division as-is." First, there is the possibility of migratory IDPA shooters disgruntled at the possible inclusion of 8 shooters in some IDPA division (the "new" IDPA rules are not final yet folks & Bill Wilson appears set to issue another set of rules in February. Anything is possible come next month). Second, there are other sports that emphasize the revolver (ICORE & PPC) & I think we ought to maintain a division where shooters can come to USPSA with their equipment & give it a try without feeling totally "outgunned" Finally, most shooters in the US think of a "six shooter" as well, a six shooter. The 7 & 8 shot revolvers are just not what I think of when I think of revolvers (particularly practical revolvers). It must have been a sad day for some owners of 8 shot revolvers when USPSA limited revolver to 6 rounds between reloads but what is done is done & I think revolver should stay just as it is. BTW, my opinion is as valid as any regardless of what I shoot. Just so happens I ocasioanly shoot a 625 (& I used to shoot it in IDPA, but I will not be buying special IDPA competition gear just to keep shooting that game if the rules stay as is). We will see what happens in February. Regards, Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwell Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 If everyone that I shoot with brings their revolver, and it has happened, then we have about ten revolvers in our squad. Same thing in our club. We have our dedicated wheelgunners, but most of us have a revolver and love to make that cylinder smoke once in awhile. Let the guys shoot. I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 spook: Actually, I was addressing another forum member and I am not nit-picking. Just bored and adding unnecessary thread drift chatter. Patrick really nailed it. As a whole, revolver shooters have a deep understanding of course design and they know what they are in for. I don't go out of my way to design stages for the wheelguns. Hmmmm....maybe next month I'll do a speed shoot or standard exercise that requires seven rounds, a mandatory reload between arrays, and seven more rounds. Ya know what? I think the wheelgunners would just shoot it and I doubt they would even complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Ron, I think I misunderstood you I think you're right. I know for a fact that the only time I complained (to myself) about course design was when I was running my 625 in Open division. Reloads are what make revolver division fun. Don't change anything in course design to make revolvershooters happy. Most of us chose to shoot IPSC this way. Most of us won't complain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 (edited) Like Troy said.... "Yeah What Jake said" Who by the way would most likely smoke some serious A$$ with a Round gun too.!!!!! Funny thing you mentioned that Ron, At the matches I attend AND help set up stages I always hear "NOT very revolver friendly" after a walk through of a stage that has 7,8 or 9 shots from 1 position then goes to another just like it. I just smile and tell them "I'M used to it". Folks, I shoot my revolver at a USPSA match for MY own personal reasons and I don't care if it is revolver friendly or not I just want to SHOOT just like everyone else there at the match. AGAIN I state Shooting a revolver in USPSA matches is COMPETELY different than with any other type gun, because of stage design, shot numbers (in the gun and in the stage) and because of all the reloads that are required, and you have to WANT to do that if you choose to shoot revolver in USPSA Another thing, when I set up stages some times I set them up "revolver friendly" and other times I don't.... Most of the time it has to do with what I am trying to Challeng in the shooters skills than with it being "revolver friendly" or not. LEAVE IT ALONE, or add OPEN REVOLER too !!!! Hopalong / SAM KEEN Edited January 25, 2005 by hopalong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestock Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 One thing about setting up stages that are revolver friendly, they are often very unfriendly for Production and Limited 10 shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 When did we start worrying about "friendly"? All courses are shot with like guns competing with like guns. I guess one that sharpens our reloading and stage doping skills is "unfriendly"? I love Limited, Revolver, Single Stack, and Production, and shooting is always friendly when you can do it. The more challenge, the better. Most of the revolver guys that have chimed in here have said, "don't change your course design for us...". That is classy any way you slice it. If you are worried about reloads and round counts, buy an open gun and shoot supercomp with 31 rounds in your gun. Guess what, the guys who reload often (and practice) will still beat you when a reload is demanded. I didn't mean for this to be a rant, and by no means did I mean to insult the open shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoonie Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 The challenge in shooting revolver in a typical USPSA course of fire is the 'Figure it Out' part! It's a cerebral game coupled with shooting skills! I'm sure you'll agree that the best stages include many skill challenges and many different ways to shoot them. This applies to any type of gun. It sure would be boring to always have to shoot the same stage the same way all the time. I certainly had fun trying to figure out how to solve the shooting problem while handicapped with six shots! The downside was that the revolver experience exposed some of may poor fundamentals. Certain folks operate on a different wavelength or plane and it's nice to have a place for them to play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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