MikeFoley

Never been to the PI, not once, just not true, where to do you get this stuff? Don't answer, I won't be here to see it.

You are just making things up aren't you? Mike Foley has never been to the Philippines, ever, in his whole life. I'm only posting here once, so tell as many untrue stories as you like but again, the costs of rulebooks were never part of the discussion. This is about rules being correct in real time. Small things have changed and been clarified since the first week of IPSC in 1976 and USPSA in 1983. The org is working on solutions to make self-printing easier for every person on every printer, if you want to print a copy, and we obviously intend to keep the website and mobile app up to date. Training is going to change, if you've been paying attention, and an accurate rule book is part of that. Again: Not printing rule books has nothing to do with cost savings, in fact it costs us more to ship tablets two directions to classes and back than rulebooks cost to print and ship once. I have never been to the Philippines, and the only time any USPSA employee has been since I've been here, there was a positive net revenue to the org for the classes taught by the employee.

A little history... Top 16 can be traced to the beginning of IPSC in 1976. Col. Jeff Cooper's wife Janelle came up with a single or double elimination bracket (affectionately called the J-ladder) for the shoot-off, which at the time was a portion of your Nationals score. The top 16 shooters by score were entered into the shoot-off, and shot man vs. man until there was only one winner. The shoot-off was eliminated from the Nationals scores sometime before I shot my first Nationals in 2002 or 2003, but there were shoot-offs as a distraction while scores and prize tables were setup until about 2005 or 2006. These were not part of the match score, and often not attended by many people in the last few years they were offered. For the next few years, USPSA continued to recognize the top 16, but likely wasn't sure why. We stopped recognizing the top 16 in 2016. We simply use the official USPSA standard, rule book appendix A2, and will continue to do so. A three position podium puts the top three shooters at the top (just like most other sports), then classes D-M are recognized separately, then categories. A division must have 10 to be recognized, a class must have 10 to be recognized, and a category must have 5 to be recognized. As the MD for all USPSA National Championships, I use Appendix A2 absolutely and recognize one place per 10 up to 3 places. While many shooters strived to reach the top 16, it really is arbitrary between 16th and 17th, and can be argued that the top guys are there to win. Top 16 still can be used to recognize good shooters unofficially, if that is your bar, and so can match percentage, match points, and top 10. The sky is the limit. My limit is top 3 for trophies. Awards ceremonies shouldn't take all night, and the last few haven't.

While I am well aware of what has been said about this in USPSA, I have no idea where IPSC stands on this issue. In order not to restart that debate in this thread, I'll simply register your request and file it away until appropriate.

Given the IPSC election just over the horizon, what changes would you guys like to see in IPSC with a new President and partially new EC? Please give some honest feedback, not "metric targets", etc, but answers that could be a part of making IPSC better as a global sports organization. Please leave politics out of this per forum guidelines. Thanks in advance.

Hey guys. I see reference to this being a new system above. It isn't. I'm just doing what no one has done for several years and updating the HHF. It used to be done every few years, but this and other tasks have been largely ignored in recent years. I wish this were the worst of them, but it isn't.

I was RO'ing at my local match once, when an entire pack of beagles ran over the berm, through the bay, and right back over a side berm. They were being used in a sporting dog trial at another division, and were hunting outside of their area. I also had a wild turkey fly through the stage at a Nationals once, but I kept right on shooting. I love dogs, and I have seen some really well behaved dogs at the range. That doesn't mean I think it should be the dog park either.

I shoot everything both eyes open, and in PCC it is even more important because your head is glued to the stock a lot.

If I treat it like Open, I fail. If I draw like irons, it's there. I can switch back and forth from most any division or platform, but CO has the greatest learning curve in my opinion.

I needed a CO gun fast for Nats, so I picked up a MOD1 Glock 17 with a Trijicon RMR on it. I shot it at the MI Section Championship and again at Nationals. I like it, but so far, I am still faster with irons, which is odd because in Open and PCC I'm not slow. I'm also setting up a CO top end for one of my CZ75 Shadows. I haven't tried one yet, but the Walther Q5 looks promising, and I love the PPQ M2 that it's based on.

I started as A47474, then TY47474, then L3300, and now I'm RD6.

This is not an official ruling or post, that's Troy's to do, and he's putting Nationals on the ground in Florida. I copied the above post because I believe it to be the end of the confusion. It is clearly stated in the last lines that this is legal. It is the only way to make CZ Shadows, and similar, ready. We put our fingers on the trigger of these pistols with a live round in the chamber. Aside from the facts, those of us who have been around for a lot of matches at every level have seen this in practice a lot. I don't like it, I wouldn't do it, but as an RO I believe it to be within the rules and not DQ'able. Again, I'm only a CRO, and DNROI has the final call short of a rules change, and could correct me. Mike

The carbine I used is a JP GMR-13 that uses Glock magazines. I purchased it several months ago just for this competition. It has a 14.5" barrel with a pinned brake. All of the controls are AR15 in nature, except a pivoting mag catch, but it is in the same location. It has an Aimpoint Micro H1 4MOA mounted in a Daniel Defense Aimpoint Mount. I used a Magpul CTR stock, and K grip. The cool thing about the JP is the buffer system, it uses a silent captured spring system with weights. I have about 2000 rounds on this carbine with zero failures.

I'm kinda new too, but there are matches every weekend in Kentucky, usually both days! Check out Blue Grass Sportsmens League, Silver Creek Conservation Club, Rockcastle Shooting Center, Owensboro Rifle and Pistol Club, Ashland Gun Club. Blue Grass, Owensboro, and Rockcastle all have 3gun matches in addition to USPSA, IDPA, and Steel.

https://youtu.be/T8Nm6y84D5g I think this has real potential in SC and USPSA too! It was crazy fun!

I am not going to spearhead eliminating any divisions. I am obviously a fan of revolver. I hear a lot of loud voices wanting to ditch L10. Then I hear a lot of people in certain areas defend L10 as well. If anyone else on the BOD brings up division elimination, or enough members ask for it to be brought, I personally wouldn't vote for it, and would attempt to table the discussion until such time that we could hear from all of the membership, analyze all of the division participation numbers for matches where activity fees were paid to the org, including the nationals, and then present the data to the BOD and vote. I clearly understand all of the points of view, and to eliminate something with a revenue stream and member service attached to it for people who aren't utilizing it and are not inconvenienced by it makes no sense in any business model, for-profit, or non-profit. USPSA has 99 problems, divisions ain't one! In the grand scheme of things, the priority on this discussion is well below getting our collective $%&^ together as an organization. There, you heard it from me. Feel free to share. Please be careful to respect Brian's no politics rule. Thanks.

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My suggestions are neither comprehensive nor contingent upon one another. We will obviously need to put our collective heads together, but someone has to start the process.

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Yes, I am, and I am trying to get the mods to change my profile name so that it is more obvious.

Steel Challenge has been a travesty. With all of our resources, we have not run it as well as two guys doing it part time. We have not utilized it as the entry point and marketing vehicle it could be. It is too expensive at the highest level, and only a handful of people stand a chance to win any prizes. Below are the issues I see that can be corrected, and some potential solutions that I have put together with some input from other experienced steel challenge shooters in the past few months. ISSUES: 1. There is no incentive for clubs to affiliate, and most of the club steel matches are outlaw matches. This is due largely to the fact that they like more variety than the 8 stages SC offers, and some of them don't have the distance in their bays to run the longer ones. The club matches are the most popular for shooters of all skill levels, ages, genders, and fitness levels. They are a great entry point to all other types of practical shooting for many. They offer more variety than steel challenge, and are much easier to setup. They reward the core shooting skills and not the memorization that steel challenge rewards. That was obvious when a competitor noted that a plate was off by three inches because of his "muscle memory". They are easy and fun, and often sell out at the club level. 2. At the national level, to travel and shoot multiple divisions, it is priced extremely high for the average competitor who has no chance of winning. Remember, there are no class wins, and we don't do Lewis system allocation either. SOLUTIONS: 1. More stages, much like USPSA Classifiers, 25-50 of them, and flexible setup options allowing the stage to be what it is, where it is, and not be practiced so exactly that one can master a stage, but rely on mastering the skill. All of them would be 5-7 plates and very little movement, but different presentations that we see in NSSF Rimfire matches, and club matches. 2. For major matches, publish 20 stages months in advance, and run any 10 of them at the match. This would allow clubs to setup similar stages, and members to practice that cannot afford a week or more vacation days. Do not open the practice range, or the stages for viewing until 24 hours before the first shots, allowing everyone a level chance at shooting the match. EITHER reduce the entry fees, and offer Lewis class prizes to allow the pros to compete at the top level, and everyone else to fall into their peer group, OR make it a PRO-AM style match where you declare PRO or AM and give cash to the PROs and Lewis prizes to the AMs. 3. Offer clubs an affiliation package where they could purchase or earn steel from sponsors of the sport, and offer a club series points program for affiliated clubs so competitors can see how they stack up against other competitors on similar stages all year long, and award some small prizes at the end of the year. 4. Heavily promote regional matches for any affiliated club that wants to have them, and help them borrow or purchase steel for the match. To resuscitate Steel Challenge and grow it, to utilize it as our entry point, and to make it club friendly, it has to become less rigid, less expensive, and more rewarding to the average shooter.

Those activated targets on bay 4 were the perfect example of how it should be. While it was easy for a lot of us to shoot it clean first appearance, a safer option was available in that you could still see a good portion of the head of the clamshell, the swinger appeared multiple times in two places, one of which was without the threat of a no shoot, and misses on the drop turner were NP. As Corey and Adam indicated above, you have to plan for your current ability, OR go for what you think you can do and accept the trouble. Since there was a safe way and a way for everyone to finish it, and the big dogs got to go fast and nail it, I'd say it was truly the perfect setup. I loved that stage, heck, I loved all of them.

This was a really fun match in every way! All of the stages were amazing. The lunch was killer. I enjoyed shooting with the MD and some of the ROs on Friday, and made some new friends. I enjoyed seeing a lot of old friends too. It's not often that I earn six penalties, and leave happy, but this was the exception for sure. If this crew puts on another match, don't miss it! Thanks to all who made it happen.

HF 9.5465 = 106%, so likely a safe 100%. This one is all about speed.

I shot this again today and took 2.5 seconds off at 7.14, As few less points, will post HF later.