crowmag Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Was wondering what a good split for a reload on a classifier would be, say 3 paper (6 shots) reload 3 paper. Time from last shot in string one to first shot after reload? I was working on this tonight 1.24 to 1.36 I am a B shooter with one foot in A class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay870 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm B also and my 'consistent' live fire pace at 10 yards is right around 1.3x also. I can go sub 1 second on a real close target but at that pace I am not picking up the sight after the load at all, and I'll chuck the mag half away across the range about 10% of the time lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Was wondering what a good split for a reload on a classifier would be, say 3 paper (6 shots) reload 3 paper. Time from last shot in string one to first shot after reload? I was working on this tonight 1.24 to 1.36 I am a B shooter with one foot in A class. It depends on range. How far is the target you are shooting at? 5 yards, 7 yards, 10 yards? For production a 1.1-1.2 split consistently should be very dueable at 7 yards with practice. If you are in the 1.3ish area and having problems making "A" class then I would assume you are either loosing time somewhere else or getting weak hits Edited August 21, 2013 by bigfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Was wondering what a good split for a reload on a classifier would be, say 3 paper (6 shots) reload 3 paper. Time from last shot in string one to first shot after reload? I was working on this tonight 1.24 to 1.36 I am a B shooter with one foot in A class. It depends on range. How far is the target you are shooting at? 5 yards, 7 yards, 10 yards? For production a 1.1-1.2 split consistently should be very dueable at 7 yards with practice. If you are in the 1.3ish area and having problems making "A" class then I would assume you are either loosing time somewhere else or getting weak hits +1 Edited August 21, 2013 by Shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 This video made me feel much better about not trying to chase the elusive 1 second reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 If you are in the 1.3ish area and having problems making "A" class then I would assume you are either loosing time somewhere else or getting weak hits +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchaas Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I am a C class shooter and have been stuck in the 1.8 to 2 second range at 10 yards. If I push, and maybe not see the front sight, maybe 1.5 and an occasional perfect (for me) 1.2X, in practice. Any suggestions for drills or technique changes for improvement, or just repetition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I am a C class shooter and have been stuck in the 1.8 to 2 second range at 10 yards. If I push, and maybe not see the front sight, maybe 1.5 and an occasional perfect (for me) 1.2X, in practice. Any suggestions for drills or technique changes for improvement, or just repetition? well, i doubt that reloads are holding you back. those are actually decent b/c times imho. I'm about to make B in L10 and production, so I've been working alot on my reloads. First thing I would point out is that in most field stages, you'll be moving while reloading, so unless you totally flub it, it shouldn't hurt to be a couple tenths slower. One thing I work on is starting to move (and reload) immediately after shooting. Sometimes I catch myself starting the reload and delaying my movement, so I'm trying to nip that bad habit in the bud. I do lots of burkett reload drills (see steve anderson's book) in dry-fire. I start from the front mag pouch and do 3 reps there, 2 each on the middle pouches and 1 on the furthest back pouch, then I lower the part time .1 and cycle again. During this I'm really focusing on gripping the mag properly with my index finger running down the front of it, and looking at the mag well, and keeping the gun high enough to make an easy path for the mag into the magwell. After 2-3 cycles through all the mag pouches, I'll do some drills where I actually seat the magazine and acquire the target, but I find if I do too many of those and not enough burkett drills, I start to rush and get sloppy and not smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I am a C class shooter and have been stuck in the 1.8 to 2 second range at 10 yards. If I push, and maybe not see the front sight, maybe 1.5 and an occasional perfect (for me) 1.2X, in practice. Any suggestions for drills or technique changes for improvement, or just repetition? Probably need to focus on what your support hand is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Was wondering what a good split for a reload on a classifier would be, say 3 paper (6 shots) reload 3 paper. Time from last shot in string one to first shot after reload? I was working on this tonight 1.24 to 1.36 I am a B shooter with one foot in A class. This is an old run on El Prez at an Ohio match that came in at 100%. Grainy video, but shows what it shows. The reload was not fast, but it was very solid and fundamental. And, just as important, it started coming off an Alpha hit, and finished to another Alpha hit. Somebody else took this video of me, and I found it and copied it.. At the time, I recall trying to get a time on that reload. IIRC it was about 1.20 - 1.25 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowmag Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Thanks for the vidio I was thinking under 1 second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarpenter82 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Great tip from a buddy of mine Mr Andersen@ 1:35 and performed like a boss @ 3:09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grump Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Ah, adapting my smallbore NPA concepts to the reload itself. Gonna cut my SLOWWWWWW times in half, I predict. Thank you much for that video. Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moltke Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Good thread. Both reload videos are very useful explanations and examples. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I'm working on mine. I shoot Open, so we don't do as many as other Divisions, but still need to be as fast as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my00wrx1 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Great tip from a buddy of mine Mr Andersen@ 1:35 and performed like a boss @ 3:09 Great video. I find that if you break the action down to its component steps (like in the video) and focus on getting them correct (with no concern for the time) and then start building speed before long you can do it correctly and quickly without thinking about it. As you build the speed, periodically check your technique is correct. Your ego may get a boost if you can complete the action quickly before you get the technique correct however you may find that you prematurely limit your progress (and speed) due to the incorrect technique. You can apply this to any action you are learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarpenter82 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Great tip from a buddy of mine Mr Andersen@ 1:35 and performed like a boss @ 3:09 Great video. I find that if you break the action down to its component steps (like in the video) and focus on getting them correct (with no concern for the time) and then start building speed before long you can do it correctly and quickly without thinking about it. As you build the speed, periodically check your technique is correct. Your ego may get a boost if you can complete the action quickly before you get the technique correct however you may find that you prematurely limit your progress (and speed) due to the incorrect technique. You can apply this to any action you are learning. I agree 100%. Im in this part of my progression. Im essentially returning back to when I started and doing things the way I know they should be done. During any practice, as brief or incomplete as it has been, I wasn't mindful of grip, trigger control, sights etc etc...I just drew gun pointed and slapped away at the trigger. Ive gotten so far that now I know if I want to keep progressing im going to have to put in more practice and work. Starting with concepts Chris explained. Simplify. one bad habit I got into was mimicking those shooters like Chris. I have to know and accept I am not......yet. Sure, when shooting with him at local matches, my times are comparable...but everything else is lacking severely. Time to go back to the drawing board so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtychemist Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 This video made me feel much better about not trying to chase the elusive 1 second reload. i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 5 25yrd targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grump Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Was that a 1.64 reload? What were the hits? I'm getting splits on that from .17 to .32, transitions .37, .46 & .26 (reverse order). First shot to last I get 4.23 seconds, didn't get the beep for the draw time. Playing with adjustable electronics, I am. Depending on the hits, I'm thinking all As at 25 yards would be Master, all Ds would be beginner's level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowmag Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'm working on mine. I shoot Open, so we don't do as many as other Divisions, but still need to be as fast as possible. I shoot open also the only time you need a quick reload is in classifiers we don't get a lot of practice on a normal stage with 30 rounds in the gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naim Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) check out 5:10 Edited November 13, 2014 by naim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 check out 5:10 That is inhuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 For idpa i'm happy with a 1.7 slide lock reload shot to shot. For uspsa I'm happy with a 1.00 to 1.25 second speed reload shot to shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 the reload in that vid just after 5:10 and the next one where he goes freestyle to SHO both are insanely fast. I've no idea what the time was but surely it's a decent bit less than a second.... his shooting was pretty spectacular too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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