bierman Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I've been shooting USPSA, off and on, since 2005. Almost all of it has been in Production, shooting Minor pf ammo. Shot my second match in Revolver using Major pf ammo yesterday. Had a ton of fun, did not do as well has hoped, but both my hands feel like someone whacked all my knuckles with a sledgehammer today. Never experienced that with the Production rig. Major pf 45 acp out of a wheelgun is a whole different animal. Gonna require a period of adjustment, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash1012 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Shooting a wheel gun is a differnet animal. I never could shoot a revolver well, but then I never really wanted to. But yes you will probably need some time to adjust. It took me 3 club matches to get used to my STI tactical from my glock 35. Edited January 27, 2013 by Ash1012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Nearly everyone who's serious about shooting revolver uses nice soft hand loads in the <175 PF range. I shot around 500 rounds of factory .45 (>200 PF) in my 625 at a class and it sucked. A lot. The standard 230 gr RN with Clays powder gives a nice firm push and is pleasant to shoot all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidSnethkamp Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I agree with jester. 3.9 grains of clays over a 230 gr round nose makes major for me with ease (172pf) and people joke all the time with me about squibs. I chrono'ed Winchester white box thru my gun and was hitting 192pf. My wife shoots a 625 also and shoots our loads all day long. Factory ammo is way too hot and yes, unpleasant for a big match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierman Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Apparently I am loading a little too hot. 4.2 grains of Clays with a 230 gr Bayou Bullet. Have not chronoed the load, so I have no idea what the PF was, but it was stiff. Next batch I will try 3.9 grains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yeah that's likely too much. With a 4" barrel 625 I was hitting 178 last year with 4.1 grains, 230 gr plated, I've backed it down down to 3.8 but haven't chrono'ed it yet. I think it will do just fine. I remember someone in the reloading forum saying that Clays is spiky, i.e. it gets real hot real fast as you go above 4 grains. If you can't see your 230 gr bullet flying through the air, it's going too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer1 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Jester you are right on about Clays spiking. That is the only thing that you have to watch with it. Also why a lot of people don't recomend it for higher pressure rounds like 40 from what I have read on it. I do like it for Major 45 along with Ramshot Competition for the same reason soft recoil vs. speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehweej Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Sissies! You mean to tell me not everyone shoots a match with 11gr. of BlueDot and a 155 in a 10mm? (only because 12gr pushed the plated bullet past the recommenced velocity, and they did sting a bit...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelGunHunter Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If your hands fit around a X frame grip you can use one on your 625. The Rubber X frame grip will cover the exposed metal strap on the back of the frame. BTW I have only seen the X frame grips sold on S&W website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I did some chrono testing with e3 powder in my 625 JM. Attached are the results. PF is calculated from the average velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Nearly everyone who's serious about shooting revolver uses nice soft hand loads in the <175 PF range. I shot around 500 rounds of factory .45 (>200 PF) in my 625 at a class and it sucked. A lot. The standard 230 gr RN with Clays powder gives a nice firm push and is pleasant to shoot all day. Soft. While 195-200 pf is pretty far past the threshold of "why am I even bothering to do this" for more than 6 rounds, there just isn't any soft in a 625 making major. Revolvers suck when making major, that is a fact. Edited January 25, 2014 by seanc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttolliver Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 +1 for 3.9 Clays over 230 LRN. And when Clays dried up last year I found 4.1 WST to be identical. I normally shoot those through a 1911, but my 625JM spits them out nicely on the odd occasion it comes out to play. I'm not experienced enough at revolver to be giving much feedback there. There's definitely more recoil coming your way, but I didn't find it distracting or painful at ~150 round count matches. But there was enough going on that I'd probably be crying like a baby at the end of a 300 round day, hehehe. Mainly wanted to share the WST formula since I haven't seen Clays coming through again yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 With a revolver shooting major loads, you can forget about all that pitty-pat stuff like "hold the gun like you're shaking hands" and "let the gun recoil." You have no reciprocating slide to absorb energy or impart a downward push. The only thing controlling the recoil is your grip and the musculature behind it. Grab the gun with your strong hand and hang on as hard as you can. Then wrap your weak around that and hang on as hard as you can. Get your shoulders out in front of your pelvis and lean into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I did some chrono testing with e3 powder in my 625 JM. Attached are the results. PF is calculated from the average velocity. 625JMChrono.jpg What weight of bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I did some chrono testing with e3 powder in my 625 JM. Attached are the results. PF is calculated from the average velocity. 625JMChrono.jpg What weight of bullet? 230g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevyoneton Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Get your shoulders out in front of your pelvis and lean into it. Dang, are you a shooter or a plow mule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Wtf is cf2126 doing??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Wtf is cf2126 doing??? Sandbagging post count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 If that is the case, hope someone bags him on the balance of the requirements to use Classified section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFlowers Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I found that grips made a bigger difference in shooting my 625 than load tweaking did. Big fat something to hang onto grips. Never have figured out how Jerry shoots those slim, thin, smooth grips and does so well. X Grips or the Hogue Big Butts help greatly. Some of the Nils Grips if you have lots of cash. "Grab the gun with your strong hand and hang on as hard as you can. Then wrap your weak around that and hang on as hard as you can. Get your shoulders out in front of your pelvis and lean into it. " Now that is a bit of advice. And applies to more than just shooting a Revolver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I shot my 625 with the stock Hogue finger groove grips, and it was irritating because spreading my fingers apart makes me suck at recoil management. I shot it some more with Eagle Secret Service grips, which did not get as much skin on the gun, but helped my fingers be positioned well. I shot it even more with the smooth rubber Hogues, and bingo. Sack up and squeeze that thing like it stood your little sister up for a date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) Double post Edited June 17, 2014 by PatJones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Sack up and squeeze that thing like it stood your little sister up for a date. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv2rideWV Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I found that grips made a bigger difference in shooting my 625 than load tweaking did. Big fat something to hang onto grips. Never have figured out how Jerry shoots those slim, thin, smooth grips and does so well. X Grips or the Hogue Big Butts help greatly. Some of the Nils Grips if you have lots of cash. "Grab the gun with your strong hand and hang on as hard as you can. Then wrap your weak around that and hang on as hard as you can. Get your shoulders out in front of your pelvis and lean into it. " Now that is a bit of advice. And applies to more than just shooting a Revolver! I'll second this advice. The narrow Miculek grip hurts to shoot very much with a major pf load. At the moment I am using the Pachymar Presentation grip because it is soft enough to absorb recoil but also gives enough surface area to get both hands on the grip. The only down side is the rubber is a bit too tacky and makes reloading a little more difficult. Also, if you've noticed, Jerry doesn't always use the Miculek grip anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 If you weak-hand load, the rubber grips are no handicap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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