limited 10 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I'm going to try some SC rimfire next month. According to these rules: 5.3.8.1: Centerfire self-loaders – release the slide and pull the trigger (without touching the hammer or de- cocker, if any). 5.3.8.2: Rimfire self-loaders, as above We are supposed to drop the hammer on an empty chamber? Not a problem with my Ruger. Not sure I want to start peening the chamber on my 41 tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziebart Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Yes, we force all shooters to dry fire their rimfire. If you do not want to do that and you are on my squad I'll lend you mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 We don't, dryfire with rimfire guns is really bad for them. Of course, safety is the most important topic so we double and triple check the chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The vast majority of modern rimfires can be dryfired with absolutely no harm. Let's not let myths jeopardize safety. If you have a MkIII Ruger with the magazine safety, look into getting a bushing (Volquartsen, Bams, etc.) that removes the mag safety, improves trigger pull and makes take-down easier. That way you don't have to put an empty magazine in to go hammer down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Although modern rimfires may be dry fired these days, not all contestants use modern arms, and to "teach the old dogs new tricks/rules" can be a battle (been there, living it ) IMO SC needs to have a chamber flag rule for the folks who just refuse to pull the trigger on an empty .22 chamber and RO's who demand they do it. Let's the mag safety folks move along a little quicker too. Over this past summer we had this same problem with a few shooters at the local SC matches, most supplied a plastic rod of a visible color (yellow & orange iirc) to insert in the chamber and down the barrel, the slide was usually left locked back and then placed back in the case the gun was brought to the line in. Or as mentioned earlier, let the RO do the job of inspecting the chamber and safety of the firearm and after it's bagged it shouldn't be an issue. Just an opinion. DaveP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The vast majority of modern rimfires can be dryfired with absolutely no harm. Let's not let myths jeopardize safety. If you have a MkIII Ruger with the magazine safety, look into getting a bushing (Volquartsen, Bams, etc.) that removes the mag safety, improves trigger pull and makes take-down easier. That way you don't have to put an empty magazine in to go hammer down. Can you specify which ones? The only one I know of who has a firing pin stop is the Mark III. And since I only know of one Mark III out of about 20 that show up regularly, that's not enough to change what we do. Also, I have broken, cracked, and chipped my firing pins along with peening the crap out of the face so I learned from these mistakes, not from rumor or reading it elsewhere. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I have two Model 41s and will not dry fire them. The other option is a snap cap to drop the FP on. I have never owned a RF snap cap so I really don't know if that is a viable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowShooter Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I have broken two firing pins on Rimfire guns. I use to always say "ah that dryfire damage is a myth". we'll its not a myth to me after two broken firing pins into different guns. Just let people insert a chamber flag and bag it. A chamber-flag assures safety well enough, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShooten Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I've broken springs and firing pins in rimfire pistols too; one of them was a Ruger MK II. I limit dropping a hammer on an empty chamber. It has to be done to field strip it. Outside of that purpose, I'd rather not. In our local matches I've not asked people to dry fire rimfire pistols. I scrutinize the chamber and mag well, then have them stow the pistol. Magazine disconnectors complicate the process because usually we have a shooter with several half empty mags (none completely empty). We do not endorse using partially depleted magazines to deactivate the mag disconnect so they can drop the hammer. Some of the AR conversion kits don't have a functional way to hold the bolt open when the mag is out of the rifle. I've handed out large, white cable ties (cheap and readily available) as chamber flags. One end entering the ejection port and passing into the empty magazine well. Works for pistols too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 If you hold your slide back say 2mm from fully closed you can actually drop the hammer with out any damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I have two Model 41s and will not dry fire them. The other option is a snap cap to drop the FP on. I have never owned a RF snap cap so I really don't know if that is a viable option. http://www.larrysguns.com/Products/Chamber-Plugs__LGI.aspx for the $10 you get 10 chamber/dry fire plugs. You can put one in the chamber, drop the slide, and then pull the trigger. No harm to the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de03x7 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) This is from the 2013 provisional rule book on the steel challenge website. Only centerfire handguns need to drop the hammer. Rimfire and revolvers just show clear and stow. “If clear, hammer down and holster” After issuance of this command, the competitor is prohibited from firing. While continuing to point the handgun safely downrange, the competitor must perform a final safety check of the handgun as follows: Centerfire self-loaders – release the slide and pull the trigger (without touching the hammer or de- cocker, if any). Rimfire self-loaders, show clear and holster or case. Revolvers: close the empty cylinder (without touching the hammer, if any). If the gun proves to be clear, the competitor must holster or bag their handgun. If the gun does not prove to be clear, the Range Of- ficial will resume the commands from Rule “If you are finished” rule 5.7. Edited January 24, 2013 by de03x7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Looks like I should have read the current provisional rules, I have been bit in a$$ by the provisional rules before Glad they took care of the issue, looking forward to a new year of shooting rimfire SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Stearns Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I really like the chamber flag route. Another cheap chamber flag is about a 6" length of orange string trimmer line. Dwight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limited 10 Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 Looks like I should have read the current provisional rules, I have been bit in a$$ by the provisional rules before Glad they took care of the issue, looking forward to a new year of shooting rimfire SC. Same here!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wksinatl Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Like Dwight says, the weed eater line seems to work good for us. If I am RO'ing and a rimfire guy is shooting....I am fine with him showing me an empty chamber, inserting some type of OBI, and bagging it. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwx40x40 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I really like the chamber flag route. Another cheap chamber flag is about a 6" length of orange string trimmer line. Dwight Another cheap option I sometimes use is a ty-wrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Put an fired case in it and drop the hammer, striker/whatever. Just show/tell the RO what you are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Put an fired case in it and drop the hammer, striker/whatever. Just show/tell the RO what you are doing. Not for SCSA. Then it wouldn't be clear. Just show clear and holster or case. No need to dry fire anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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