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  1. I was watching the videos from Nationals as they were posted on facebook and wishing I could have been there. I noticed that all/most, of the walls were made with see through fence. On a couple of the stages there was a low port to finish the stage and in some of the videos you can clearly see the shooter putting their gun through the port then lifting it up and sighting through the fence. Should the shooter have been given a penalty for the shots fired while sighting through the fence? The shot would not have been scored (9.1.6.1) if they shot a target through the fence so why not when they look through it to see the sights? The problem could have been solved by dropping the banners that were on the fence a little lower so the shooter would have had to get down to see through. https://www.facebook.com/jake.martens.3#!/video.php?v=10152746389278024&set=vb.636458023&type=2&theater Here JJ aims and shoots through the port. https://www.facebook.com/jake.martens.3#!/video.php?v=10152746344683024&set=vb.636458023&type=2&theater Here the shooter is clearly looking through the fence and you can see the gun lifted above the port. I know it is too late to do anything about it for this match but I would like to hear everyone’s opinion on rather this should be legal or not. It could be that penalties were given also as the video stops when the shooting stops. I doubt that is the case though because this happened on a couple stages with the low ports and if they were calling it a penalty word would have got around and people would have stopped doing it.
  2. Appendix D4 20 says Each magazine must be contained individually within the magazine pouch. Magazines may not be retained through magnetic means. 5.2.4 allowes for a magazine to come out of a front pocket when loading/unloading but does not allow for a magnet. My call would be open division if the magnet was used.
  3. I do not support the RO's not Playing if they are working, The RO position is voluntary. I am an RO, I volunteer, I take no pay for this, I show up with the very first people, to set up, register, talk to new shooters, run a squad in 100 deg heat and -20 deg cold. Do the safety briefs. Have a safe and fun shooting experience, Stay till dark to breakdown and store all the materials, and I enjoy every minute of it. I agree that "this person" has brought great shame to himself and much can be done to improve the sport. However, There are a very small group of people dedicated to running this sport, month after month around the country, and if we don't get to play, no body gets to play!! I absolutely and emphatically agree that more training and continuing training is necessary. I hate to compare this to IDPA, but here goes. I was an IDPA S.O. also, I say WAS, because I have chosen to concentrate on USPSA exclusively, and haven's shot IDPA in 2-3 years. One thing that IDPA had right was that if, you wanted to be an SO, you would Roger up, the Club MD would set a date and time and would hold a Training Class, Class Passed, Paperwork Submitted, SO Card came in the Mail. I have been shooting USPSA, since 2007 as a non-member, I RO'd local Matches as a non-qualified RO, I became a member 2/29/12 and finally found a seat in an RO class 6/10/13. Why is this? why so few NROI classes? Why so Geographically spread out, for often a large fee charged. I was "Lucky", I attended the class for free because it was paid for by SIG Sauer Academy in conjunction with the 2013 Area 7 match. The class was Taught by John Amidon, a great instructor and a wealth of knowledge, BUT!! Is all of that really necessary. Here is my proposal, and I would gladly talk to anyone at HQ about this. 1. Establish a official RO, CRO, MD training program, maybe one exists already within NROI, I have a workbook of sorts from my RO class, great. Now take that approved curriculum, and publish it on the web for all members to see. Chapter 1, record a You Tube video, do a Powerpoint presentation something, whatever it takes, get the material out there, embed in the training material, pertinent rule changes, BoD rulings, clarifications of rules, a text document with all the "Inside NROI" columns from Front Sight. Do this for every single chapter and section in the rule book. If a shooter is interested in becoming an RO, they should be able to go onto the USPSA site, Log in, go through all the material with explanations, take an open book practice test, print out his completed test, everything. Make this a requirement to get your RO cert, before attending a class. 2. This brings me to my second point, Looking at the USPSA site under the NROI tab for the entire 2014 listing there is only ONE RO class in New England for 2014, what does that seat 20-30 students? So we have members through out Area 7 that would love to take the class, but...if they can't make it to that class they will have to wait another year or travel a very long distance. The next option would be to travel to North Carolina or Ohio. Not feasible for very many. Solution: Make more RO instructors. We have people throughout the country that have been RO'ing for years, CRO's, Match Directors, Range Masters, Masters and Grand Masters. Get them certified to put on more classes. If we establish an online training system, the class would mostly be a review, a bit of Discussion and Clarification, a Range portion with a bit of shooting and then the normal online open book test. Come on!! if we are not having at least 5-10 classes a year in each of the 8 Areas we are severely limiting our pool of staff. No wonder we can't scare up the help and people burn out. 3. Do all of the above, for all of the levels of NROI certification, I am an RO, I really want to become a CRO, and a MD, and who knows someday I might want to run for a Sectional or Area position. Back to the NROI tab. There are 4 CRO classes listed, I live in Maine, the classes are in Alaska, Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia this year, Which one do you think I will be able to make it to. You Guessed it!! None!! Unacceptable. I love Shooting USPSA matches, I probably like working them a little bit better than that, I am a volunteer by nature, I served in the military, I am a natural teacher and instructor. I would love to see the sport grow, more clubs, more shooters, more matches. Give us the tools to succeed!! We are making great strides in the technology realm, Practiscore has made scoring much faster and less time consuming, but it is Garbage in and Garbage out if we are not entering scores correctly. There is no explanation for the recent events, it makes me a little sick to think about the ramifications going forward and for the people this has allegedly helped and hurt. Make an immediate rule that the RO will show the timer display to the Shooter and to the Score Keeper after the "Range is Clear" is called out. This has a couple implications. First, the shooter will see the last split, the final time and make sure that it checks out, the score keeper will see it and should repeat it back then enter it. The score keeper is the second RO on the stage, he is looking for foot faults, he is backing up the RO, he or she should be watching for extra shots, failure to engage, correct procedure followed, foot faults. The primary RO is right on the shooters heels watching for all these things, and acting as the primary safety observer, I am watching the gun, the trigger finger, the muzzle, the finger in the trigger guard while moving, I may not always be able to do all that and count the number of shots fired before a mandatory reload or whether the target was actually engaged or if there were 2 misses. That means that even at the local matches and especially at the Major matches, the Score Keeper needs to be proceeding down range with the Shooter and RO and assisting, not standing in the shade relaxing. I Highly recommend that the final split is shown and called out, and required that it is done for Major Matches. Most all, except the most antiquated timers in use show the split time on the screen. Next, put out some guidance on how to properly set up the timer for use. At a local match I have seen some real relics for timers, and many of us, my self included bring our own timers for use on the range. For major matches, that really may no longer be acceptable. We play a game where matches are won and classifications are earned by fractions of a second and single points down on a target. My timer has always to my knowledge picked up all the shots fired in a course, it has a sensitivity adjustment that I have never messed with. I am close enough to the shooter that the Sound Pressure Level of the shot being fired registers on the timer. Some have suggested that merely tapping the timer or being to close for the unload and show clear and the sound of the slide or hammer dropping will register on the timer. I don't think that is the case. In order to test my timer I either have to smack the microphone very hard or yell bang into it. Our shooting bays are usually very close together and if the guy in the next bay blasting away with his open gun, loud enough to require hearing protection in my bay is not tripping my timer then your hammer dropping one inch is sure not going to do it. That is of course as long as your timer has not been set to Air Soft sensitivity levels from your last practice session. The club should approve the use of certain makes and models of timers for official match use, they should have a laminated sheet that tells exactly how to set the timer up for match use, how to set the delay to instant, what sensitivity level to use, how to review the data etc. For a major match those timers should be taken to the chrono stage, a qualified person should verify that the timer is charged, set up correctly, and hell why not line them up on a table and fire a couple of live rounds over them to verify they work. Nothing worse than having to reshoot a shooter, or have to reshoot as a shooter because the darn timer is not working or picking up other shots. Then slap a Sticker on it that tells everyone that it has been checked and the thing should work. I am not going to be impressed when I go to a major match and I have an RO running me with a watch type timer. Nothing against the timer, but they are too new, no one understands them and I don't want to trust my match to some new toy that belongs to the RO personally and has an inertia sensor that is designed to reject shots if not worn on the shooters wrist. I better have faith that the RO knows how to operate it, the timer is set up correctly and that Air Soft mode is off and the Inertia sensor is not used. So take it with a grain of salt, dismiss my thoughts all together, comment back and give me your thoughts. Rant mode OFF! Alright, Rant on. I’m staying away from the time scandal until it is sorted out. Jamiethesquid, I haven’t read past your post to see if anyone has told you yet but a club in your area needs to sponsor a class in order to have one in your area. The sponsoring club pays NROI $800 for up to 20 students in the class, classroom and range space and motel, rental car, and food expenses for the instructor. When I took the RO class a couple years ago here in Alaska, if I recall correctly, it cost my wife, my daughter, and I $225 to be certified to volunteer. This year when I take the CRO class due to the club getting a grant from the NRA Foundation through Friends of NRA to help with the cost of the class, all it will cost me is a day of vacation time from work. I would agree that it would be nice if the classes were available online but until then someone has to schedule a class and someone has to pay for it. I am sure your local club would be happy to sponsor a class if you would ramrod it to make it happen.
  4. I'm sure that if you had been shooting instead if playing up the knee surgery it would have been seen. We can talk about it Friday, I think everyone there learned something from it.
  5. I had this come up this past weekend. My wife hit a no shoot target and the shot knocked over steel. Had it been anyone else I would have made the equipment failure call and reshoot without question. I made the call but also sent for the MD/RM at the same time. I wanted to be sure that he saw what had happened before anything was reset in case anyone complained. Of course she went from several misses and no shoot hits to I think one M. It was enough improvement that she beat me in the final scores and I haven't heard the end of it yet. Before anyone says stage design, she was the only on to do this during the match. The no shoot was put up as a vision barrier and no one noticed the shoot through possibility.
  6. I carry four on my belt and start with one from my pocket in production. It is rare to ever use the forth one from my belt but that being said I plan to add at least one more. I shot a 30 round stage that was very revolver frindly but not so much for production. Three paper to the left, reload moving to the right, three more paper. Reload heading to a port on left with three paper, another port with three paper and finish at a low port with six steel. I had to reload going to each location or do a standing reload. I dropped the last mag in the sand and had to pick it up and use it because all of my others were on the ground back through the course. Lucky for me the XDM ate it up but the mag was full of sand when I took it apart after the stage. If I run into another stage like this and drop a mag it can stay there.
  7. There was nothing in the WSB about activating the swingers. The designer assumed that going through the door would do it. My opnion is if anyone has room to complain it would be the people who shot after the cable was twisted because they didn't have the chance to go in and not start the swingers. The early shooters had the option but by busting through the door they caused everything to start moving before they shot. I am sure that the stage designer will learn from this and try to prevent it in the future. If the WSB had said open door to activate swingers then engage targets it would have been a reshoot without question. The swinging shoot targets would not have been available if that swinger failed to activate.
  8. The rules should be applied the same to all competitors, whether they are a "contender" or not. I agree and the rules say that if the shooter stops himself that the stage will be scored as shot. If the rangemaster wanted to call it REF and give the reshoot I would not had an issue with his call either. If I had been the RO I would have said that he satified the WSB by procedding through the door. It does not say to oprn the door to activate swingers and all of the shoot targets were available to him. Suppose he saw untaped holes instead of the no shoot swinger not moving. If he is shooting a 45 and the untaped holes were 9mm and he stops himself it would be scored as shot.
  9. Stage Procedure: On Audible signal engage T1-T2 and T7-T8 with two rounds each through port from box A. Proceed through door and engage targets T3-T6 from within fault lines. T1-2 and 7-8 were outside the walls. 3-6 were not available until the door was opened. The first shooters that went through the door busted it wide open and everything activated as was intended. The first shooter that it did not activate for went in slow, shot the targets before the one no shoot activated but then bumped the door all the way open and it then activated. There was no intent by the shooter to game the stage, he just didn't kick the door in like everyone else had. He made all of the required shots and everything on the stage activated one of them a little late. The next shooter also went slow through the door and when the no shoot was not swinging he stopped and asked for a reshoot. The RO had not stopped him but gave him the reshoot anyway. After ULASC the door was pushed all the way open and the swinger activated. At this point on the cable was twisted a half turn during reset to make sure that everything activated when the door opened. The shooter that shot without the no shoot swinging was not a "contender" and it worked for everyone else so no one got excited about it. I wanted to see how others would call it. If I had been the RO I would have said the first shooter did everything that he needed to and everything activated even though it was late. I would have scored the second shooter with the misses and FTE because he stopped himself and the swinger activated when the door was fully opened. He could have taken it up with the rangemaster and I wouldn't have cared what the decision was. Again this shooter was not a "contender" so it wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome.
  10. The stage has two swinging no-shoots and a double swinging shoot target behind them. There is also a stationary shoot target on each side. The swinging no-shoots obstruct both the stationary targets and the double swinger. All three swingers are activated by opening a door. The first five or six shooters kick the door wide open and everything activates as the designer wanted. Then a shooter goes through the door but didn't slam it open like the rest had. Only one of the no-shoot and the double activate. The shooter shoots all of the targets with only one no-shoot swinger in his way then shoulders the door the rest of the way open and the second no-shoot activates. The RO askes if he wants a reshoot and the shooter askes why, everything is swinging. He did not reshoot the stage. The next shooter goes thru the door and again the second no-shoot is not acttivated. He stops without firing at any of the targets and asked for and was given a reshoot because the no-shoot swinger did not activate. When the door was fully opened the swinger did activate. I understand that this is a design problem but it didn't show up until several shooters had gone through the stage. There was also the potental for shoot throughs but that never became a problem. For the rest of the match the cable was twisted a half turn around the activater stick and this caused the swinger to activate with the others every time. Neither shooter was in danger of winning the match so no one protested but I would like to see how everyone else would have scored this. I say the first shooter got lucky and the stage should be scored as shot because everything did activate even if it was late. The second shooter should have been scored as shot with misses and failure to engage becaues the swinger did activate when the door was fully opened.
  11. This is not a legal USPSA stage. They can hand out any penalty they wish. The full procedure is Upon start signal, turn, then draw and engage T1- T4 with two rounds each, perform a mandatory reload and re-engage T1-T4 with two rounds each WEAK hand. This procedure is used in many classifiers but it always says WEAK HAND ONLY. If the WSB does not stipulate weak hand ONLY can the shots be taken supported?
  12. This idea came up last summer. While taking the RO class the stage that was used for the class had a barricade with a box and the WSB said start in box and engage T1-T2 from left side of barricade and T3-T4 from right side. It just happened that my wife was the RO and I was the shooter. I made it a point to have my foot touching the ground outside the box for three of the four shots but had it up for one just to mess with her. She saw it and called three procedurals and the instructor then asked her why she called them. He then pointed out that the WSB was satisfied because the shots were made from the correct side and it didn't say anything about shooting from the box. He said that if the WSB did not prohibit shooting outside the box that it was ok to do so. A couple months later this classifier comes up and again it says nothing about shooting from the box. I will agree that the intent is to shoot from the box but if we are going to score on intent I intend to shoot all alphas in about a second and a half. Sarge, for what it's worth this classifier bumped me from C to B so I am one of the support class shooters also and someone may have a different result. I did shoot it from the box. I will say that the attempt to game the stage made me set up one of the sets of targets and try shooting it from the box, while moving in during the reload and taking the first shot on each while walking in. Staying in the box with a good stance won every time and the extra practice sure paid off for me.
  13. All in good fun. I'm sure that they would add ONLY to the WSB and make me reshoot but I get more trigger time. It's not like there is a new truck to be won anyway.
  14. The WSB says to engage T1-T4 with 2 rounds each WEAK hand. Rule 10.2.8 says course of fire stipulates strong or weak hand ONLY. If the WSB does not stipulate weak hand ONLY can the shots be taken with the weak hand supported without penalty? I know that the intent is weak hand ONLY but I also intend to shoot all alphas so if we are going to score based on intent I will have a whale of a match because I also intend to do it in .0001 second. I could clarify it before shooting but what fun would that be when I could drive a truck through the designers stage?
  15. I shot a stage that had a split pepper popper a couple years ago and took down both sides with one shot. It cost me time because it surprised me so much that I stood there wondering what had happened. It was neat to be the only one of 25-30 shooters to do it and of course every time I have seen the target since then I have not been able to hit the split and take out both sides again.
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