afish4570 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Saturday, Oct. 13 I shot in a local IDPA match. On my squad there were two shooters using the Win. 100 rd white bx. factory loads that had several misfires each. The cases had blown primers and bullets were still in the cases. One round had a primer that had the primer cup peeled back so you could see about 1/4 of the inside of the primer cup. When I examined the cases with the blown (missing) primers I observed there were no prime pocket holes to allow the primer to ignite the powder. Another shooter said he had the same problem a few weeks earlier and had the Winchester customer service contact in his ipod. One of the shooters said,"Oh no I have 600 rds. left." Disappointing,slowed down the relays and freaked the shooters out to say the least.afish4570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Have you got a lot number? I just bought 200 rds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Man, first a thread about bad primers and now this. Winchester needs to step it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Take up reloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlockCanMan Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 It is not very accurate to begin with. Years ago I bought over 30+ cases of that white box 115gr ball ammo when Bass Pro shop had a special price of 3.88 a box 50. I still have a lot of them left over, but don't shoot it anymore. I shoot nothing but my reloads...Much more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DillBill Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) I bought a box a couple months ago. To my surprise two rounds had serious flaws. One had a bullet seated way too deep, almost bottomed out deep. Another had a crushed bullet. Edited October 22, 2012 by DillBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Had a round today on the range with the front edge of the brass bulged/folded. Locked a guy's Glock up pretty hard. He blamed the gun until I showed him the round, and told him that even factory ammo isn't perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
czrobert Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I've had a few Winchesters 115gr with the brass crushed down to the bottom of the bullet on one side. I also saw a Federal 115gr with the bullet pushed in very far last week. I agree reloading is the way to go if you're able to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny1gun Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I just recently moved from Oregon to Texas and all my reloading suff was packed away. Bought a box of .45 acp ball ammo and my gun kept jamming.I measured it and it was way long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Hamby Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Last month we had a shooter fly two states over to attend a regional match. Bought local ammo and and spent 40 seconds trying to unlock his gun due to a folded neck that stuck on the chamber. This was Federal American Eagle. So it happens to all brands. Koski is correct. Reload. I have buddies drive my ammo if possible, or I ship my ammo to myself when I fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I'm with Steve, could never happen with reloaded ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solaritx Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Simple solution and cheap. When I used factory.....I still case gauged every round that went into my gun. Now....I reload and not a single round goes into my gun (or my daughters) without it going through the case gauge. Buy a case gauge, take a few minutes to properly prepare for ANY match and then these rounds would not be a problem.....IN THE MATCH. If it is important to you, then make sure that you have properly prepared. In this case, a few dollar "tool" to check your ammo and maybe 5-10 minutes of prep cost the shooter. Preperation is everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) While I always casegauge every round I fire in a match, I don't have any that could detect the absence of a flash hole...Would need an X-ray for the problem the op is talking about. Only reason I said it couldn't happen with reloaded ammo is because you wouldn't be able to deprime without a flash hole. Reloaders of berdan primed cases exempt from the last comment. Edited November 16, 2012 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty whiteboy Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Junk, I noticed their 22 ammo is of poor quality too lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I think everyone that has shot a lot of wwb ammo has had some problems at some point. If someone doesnt want to reload they could always spend the extra money for hornady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I shot it for a number of years back when it was $3.89/50 and never had any problems. Did find a .380 in a box of CCI 9mm once back in '06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 If a round misfires, rack the slide and cycle, then pick it up and check for hammer strike. If it has one, then ask Winchester if they want to see it. They may want to. Otherwise, disassemble it and dump it. As to whoever said reload: I had to buy white box until I had enough $$ saved to buy a press. And yes, you have to balance between the urge to buy ammo and the need to not buy as much as you'd like to to save for a press (Sorry, post divorce budget, behind still hurting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 You know, realistically it should not happen period. As to wether or not reloaded ammo is as good or better than reloads, that would really depend on the operator too. I really think that outside errors on ammo should be caught at the loading process and not at a match if you reload, and if not, then when you are loading your mags. When I practice and at matches, I look my ammo over as I load my mags. It has been quite a while since I have had bad ammo at matches, I do reload. As to problems with components, or that of flash holes missing or primers not going bang, hard to see something you can't see. I've had a few bad primers in the last few years, and pulled some really odd bullets out of my boxes, but never an issue with factory ammo. Not everyone can reload. What was that lot number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Have you got a lot number? I just bought 200 rds... Out of that 200 rounds, I had not one problem. But, I did find a nice, new, shiny, primed piece of Hornady .25 ACP brass in one box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Simple solution and cheap. When I used factory.....I still case gauged every round that went into my gun. Now....I reload and not a single round goes into my gun (or my daughters) without it going through the case gauge. Buy a case gauge, take a few minutes to properly prepare for ANY match and then these rounds would not be a problem.....IN THE MATCH. If it is important to you, then make sure that you have properly prepared. In this case, a few dollar "tool" to check your ammo and maybe 5-10 minutes of prep cost the shooter. Preperation is everything How is that going to help when there are no primer holes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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