D.Hayden Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 What is pinning? I'm assuming it's rendering the grip saftey inoperative. Until I can get my Kimber into the shop, I'd like to disable it for tomorrows match. Can I just tape it down. Is that legal? Or anyone suggest a quick/easy way for one match? Thanks, Dave I swear I searched.... I found this thread: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6407 Where HTR was asking if pinning the saftey was legal, but no one answered. Also, I found references to pinning, involving, drilling/tapping, and just pushing a piece of Shok-Buf in there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Any way will work and is legal. I've got the tongue of my grip safety completely ground off so it still moves and has spring pressure, but doesn't engage the trigger bow. Another guy I know either cuts off or bends the leg of the sear spring out of the way so that there's no pressure on the grip safety and it basically just flops around. Tape it and you're good to go... that's the easiest temporary solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Berkim-Many competitors step up to the line with a pinned grip safety. This is the thread that discussed it pretty well. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...&hl=grip+safety Good luck, Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherErik Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I also know that there is a tread out ther that describes how pin the grip saftey by wedging a piece of shock buff between the grip saftey and main spring housing. Mine is done in a similar fassion. My smith welded a little "pad" on the grip saftey to contact the mainspring housning which keeps if engaged all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted April 17, 2004 Author Share Posted April 17, 2004 Thanks all... That was the same thread I read about the shok-buf.. At a class last week, the instructor suggested having a smith mill down a high spot to make it very light - just don't have the time. And with the grip he taught me to use, I never engage it... If I only had the black masking tape, I didn't want to get DQ'd for an illegal mod.. thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1b Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 The Shok Buff is how I do mine. Works great - and keeps the grip safety solid! JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 What is pinning? I'm assuming it's rendering the grip saftey inoperative.Until I can get my Kimber into the shop, I'd like to disable it for tomorrows match. Can I just tape it down. Is that legal? Or anyone suggest a quick/easy way for one match? If you're talking USPSA, then it's legal and your black tape will work just fine until you find a more elegant solution. You'd probably get busted in an IDPA match, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Berkim- Cut the grip safety tounge off, and it will never get in the way again. Nothing to get jammed and no extra steps to putting it back together. The grip safety becomes invisible once it is deactivated. If I had a match tomorrow, I'd cut it off tonight, or put it on a grinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 You'd probably get busted in an IDPA match, though! Not in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRD Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I emailed IDPA about this (I want to pin it on my carry gun bad, but it's also my IPSC/IDPA gun) and here's what I got back: "IDPA does NOT condone the disconnection of any safety device on any gun."Thanks, Dru Nichols IDPA Administrative Coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 "Does not condone" is worlds away from "forbids." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRD Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 That's what I'm hoping Do you have any experience with a pinned gun being allowed at larger matches? I know I won't have trouble at club-level gigs... - Gabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 The nose of my grip safety was filed down when I got the gun. I finished the job by tweaking the mainspring to remove all the force on it. No pinning or shock buff worries at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobabygo Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I just use a couple rubber bands on my 1911. It doesn't leave any marks and is easy to undo. I actually kinda like it because the rubber is kinda tacky and gives me a really good grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkbrd Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Even at the largest IDPA matches you will find 1911 shooters disable the grip safety. It has been ruled to be Internal reliability work. Therefore legal under the current IDPA rulebook. They do discourage the practice but understand the 1911 was designed without the grip safety in the first place, and some shooters will have reliability problems with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRD Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Thanks bird, that's good to know. And with that I'm good to go Pin that puppy! - Gabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snokid Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Well boys it depends on the day of the week you ask IDPA HQ this question.... I asked a couple of years ago and got the ok to do it. Well a friend of mine wanted to do his and he didn't believe me and asked again and what he got that pinning the grip safety was agaisnt the rules. "you can't disable any safety in idpa..." I can say that I have never been checked at a match.... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 The safeties on all my 1911's work with the exception of the one on my Open gun. I shoot IPSC/USPSA and also 3-gun. Since it is not altogether uncommon to re-holster a hot pistol at a 3-gun, I like the additional safety. I have on a very few occasions not had a good grip and had the safety remain engaged. Generally it is not a problem. Most gunsmiths will not remove a safety feature unless they know you well. The grip safety on my guns are all of the raised or arched type. This basically means I can still ride very high and not have a problem. THe fact that this feature was not originally included in the design is meaningless. Brake lights, headlights and turn signals are all in addition to the original design of cars, as is AC and heat. You want to disable all that too? Jim Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRD Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 The grip safety is redundant. The only times my Springfield has failed to fire for me is when I didn't have a good enough grip to disengage the safety. In a match, that's a bummer - but this is also my carry gun, which makes that safety a major liability, as far as I'm concerned. - Gabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Heck...it's been a while since I picked on anybody... So...all in fun... Can somebody point out where this grip safety thing is??? Sounds like I need to pin mine, but I can't find it anywhere. (Photo from Dawson Precision.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycanthrope Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Flex, I think on that gun the safety is on the part of your grip that extends around to the triggerguard and you engage it with your fingertip. Don't pin it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Flex, On that piece of Tupperware there is in reality, no safety. As soon as your finger is on the trigger, it is in the ready to go position. A DAO you at least need to PULL the trigger to cock the hammer back, on a 1911, you at least have a thumb safety and maybe a working grip safety. Now if you have at the minimum a stock 5lb trigger, you are reasonably OK, if you have worked over a 3lb like some people you are an accident waiting to happen. My opinion only. I keep my 1911 safety active, I have learned to grip the gun so that I depress the safety and I can also flick off the thumb safety very easily, or re-engage it. All this having been said, I think that the addition of the firing pin block does go beyond the needs. After all the gun has worked for nearly 100 years as originally adopted, without tinkering. Call me when Glock can say the same. Now that having been said, I own several Glocks and will probably buy more, but I don't confuse a trigger latch that disengages simply by putting my fingger on the trigger with a safety. Jim Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Flex, LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 but I don't confuse a trigger latch that disengages simply by putting my fingger on the trigger with a safety. Glocks have three safeties and the little trigger safety that you mention is just one. There is also a drop safety and a firing pin block. The 70 series 1911 also has three if you include the firing pin return spring as a sort of passive safety. The best safety is the grey matter between your ears, but some folks aren't too good with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 The best safety is the gray matter between your ears. Well said, but you also note that there are more than a few missing a bit. I still contend that the "safety" on the Glock is limited to the little lever thingie on the trigger. We are not talking about dropping a gun here, we are talking about the gun going bang when being holstered or drawn. Once you have the Glock in your hand and you touch the trigger, there is no safety. Withthe 1911, youhave the option of the thumb safety being on even if you have your finger in the guard and maybe on the trigger. Wrong I know, but still the safety does require an action on the part of the shooter to release and place the gun in the firing mode. There is no sererate action to remove the safety on a Glock. You simply pull the trigger. In a DAO or a DA with the hammer down, you at least have to pull hard enough to cock the hammer. And again, I have a DA or two, I have a few Glocks and I have a couople 1911's. I shoot them all. I understand the difference between the systems. I like the 1911 the best. My opinion. Jim Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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