Shay1911 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) I was discussing the pros and cons of bull or bushing barrels with another shooter and was wondering what people like. Edited January 8, 2011 by Shay1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Some folks like 5" guns to have bull barrels, and 6" guns to have bushing barrels....so you may want to add options. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shay1911 Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 Some folks like 5" guns to have bull barrels, and 6" guns to have bushing barrels....so you may want to add options. R, Hey G-man, how have you been? Run of the mill 5 inch Limited gun. I was talking to a GM, top 5 type, and he was entertaining switching from Bull to Bushing. Said he may want a lighter gun, quicker transitions. So we were debating, thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnyglock Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I like bull in my 5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feederic Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I like Bull in both of my 5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Much easier to make weight with a bushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Run of the mill 5 inch Limited gun. I was talking to a GM, top 5 type, and he was entertaining switching from Bull to Bushing. Said he may want a lighter gun, quicker transitions. So we were debating, thats all. Hey Shay, things are good! Well, for a 5" gun, I think most folks are better off with a bull barrel, a little more weight, and softer shooting gun. For someone like a super good GM, lighter weight will help a little, and not hurt. I say that because with proper form, you can get a light gun to reset quickly, still shoot fast, and have slightly faster transitions, but that isn't going to be true for the average Joe or Jane (in most cases)...the lighter gun will likely cause them to struggle to control it, hurt their split times, and they don't move fast enough between targets for an ounce or two to make any difference anyway. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Much easier to make weight with a bushing. Make weight? Limited and L-10 guns don't have to make weight and you can't use a bull barrel for SS unless the barrel is 4.20" or shorter. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hello: I have a light 6" bushing barreled pistol and like it alot. I also built a bull barreled 6" with a light slide. I like the bushing barreled one so far. I am getting the bull barrel lightened and will be able to tell more after I get it back. I am no GM but do like a light pistol. I have a 5" bushing barreled pistol and need to try a bull barrel in there to see how I may like it. I know I don't like the feel of a factory Edge. My 5" is like a STI Eagle with a bushing. I say try a bushing barrel and see. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
818-DVC Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I like the heavier Long dustcover 5" with a ribbed or bull. My 6" has a lightened bull. I don't shoot snappy ultrilight guns well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shay1911 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think its neat how the poll is even so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I say bull, only because it's one less piece to replace when it wears out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanfogliocoe Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I like bushings because when you do wear them out you are just replacing a bushing instead of a whole barrel or slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trini Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Have STI & SV 5" gun and both have bushing barrel... Like them a lot.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I voted bushing even though my limited gun has a bull barrel. I'm a C-class shooter, and if I were to build a limited gun from scratch today, I'd build it as heavy as possible (long dust cover, bull barrel). I don't think it makes a huge difference either way, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 My 5" gun has both a bull and a bushing. On the clock (the only thing that matters to me), there's no difference in splits. After the 4th round, I don't notice anymore. Oddly, they do sound remarkably different.... but the difference between barrels is only 1.4oz. My 6" gun is a bushing and I wouldn't want any more weight on it. Its very light (37oz) and tracks well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astephenson Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I like bushings because I shoot SS and IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik S. Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I have an STI Trojan and it, of course, has a bushing. I like it alot and can shoot SS with it as well as the other divisions (maybe at a slight disadvantage). Having a bushing just opens up your division options. If you're dead set on L or L10, the extra weight might help. On the other end of the weight spectrum, I know a guy who LOVES commander frames simply for the REDUCED weight and extra speed in transitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Much easier to make weight with a bushing. Make weight? Limited and L-10 guns don't have to make weight and you can't use a bull barrel for SS unless the barrel is 4.20" or shorter. R, Did I miss something; where does the OP mention division or barrel length? "1911-style Pistols > Bushing or Bull?" is what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Much easier to make weight with a bushing. Make weight? Limited and L-10 guns don't have to make weight and you can't use a bull barrel for SS unless the barrel is 4.20" or shorter. R, Did I miss something; where does the OP mention division or barrel length? "1911-style Pistols > Bushing or Bull?" is what I see. It's pretty much self-evident that a compact gun is not the ideal competition gun. SS specifically bans full sized pistols with bull barrels, and weight is irrelevant in Limited and L-10. Therefore, "weight" is not the consideration that makes a bull barrel undesirable, but rather, the fact that the rules prohibit bull barrels specifically make it undesirable regardless of weight. I'm not even quite sure why the SS rules prohibit bull barrels in full size guns. I don't really think an aluminum frame with a bull barrel would offer any competitive advantage even worth discussing (so long as the weight restrictions stayed the same). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Its not about competitive advantage. The Special Notes in the rule book say it all... "Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal." Browning didn't design a bull barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I think this poll with serve a better purpose if the question was put in context... as in division size of gun, discipline, wide or thin body etc.. all this things play a role on the bushing vs bull barrel question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Its not about competitive advantage. The Special Notes in the rule book say it all... "Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal." Browning didn't design a bull barrel. Browning didn't design a beavertail, commander hammers, bomars, flat topped slides, fiber optic sights, external extractors, frames with rails, magwells, 8 round magazines, or 1911s in calibers other than .38 Super and .45 ACP. In other words, that argument fails if that's the only criteria. There are plenty of examples of things that deviate from the original design that are allowed, and, in fact, used by almost every competitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Never mind.... I don't have the energy. The rules say you can't use a bull barrel but they say you can use that other stuff.... That's it. The OP asked about 2011s. Edited January 10, 2011 by Seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan13 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Currently I have a bull barrel. I cannot say that I noticed a difference between the two. I must also say that I am happy with the bull barrel setup at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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