GOF

A BIG +1. A revolver trigger needs to be properly radiussed and very smooth. Any rough edge, anywhere on the trigger, is going to beat your trigger finger up. There's no need for that.

IDPA Rules seem to change with some frequency... but... my current understanding is this --- If you are required to engage a target from cover/fault line, and then required to move from that position to advance through the COF to engage additional targets... once you have engaged that initial target (cover/fault line target) with the required number of rounds, it becomes an 'engaged target' and can then be re-engaged anywhere on the COF (watch the 180!).

Alternating guns won't fine tune you for one gun. But, if it's fun, why not. At an earlier age I focused on one gun to pile up trophies. Today, age has caught me. I mostly shoot Steel Challenge and may shoot a couple of matches with one gun, whether RFRO/RFPO/RFPI/PCCO/CO/Rev, and then change two weeks later. I have fun, and get to shoot my guns. Why not. I'm sure the "high-speed low-drag" trolls will vehemently disagree. But, I shoot to have fun, and challenge myself by shooting different guns. I figure... if I can't have fun, why make the drive and pay the match entry fee?

+1. If the order you made with your credit card is not completed... dispute the charge with your CC company. That will get the shipping company involved quickly. You normally have 60 days to dispute a CC charge. If your order wound up "sucking" why not do it. The CC company has more muscle in this than you do. They normally get results... quickly.

All that super athlete and major practice is well and good. Lemme know how it's working out for ya when ya hit 70. Or, should there be a cutoff age for Steel Challenge?

I have to respectively disagree. I shoot with some long leg people. We hit targets the same. We just move different, even though they are in my same age group. But, we have firm cropped grass & firm footing. Might be different with bad footing. BTW. I'm not "someone who is crippled" A55647, my classifications are right there on the Steel Challenge website... as Yogi Berra once said "You can look it up". How 'bout yours? Might be nice for posters to know the level of expertise you are speaking from. Got a # we can look up?

Your experiences are not the same as mine. Movement speed is an issue. All things being equal --- hit first two targets, leave cleanly, and smoothly engage the remaining three targets -- the shooter who can switch boxes .5 to 1+ seconds faster than the other shooter-- has a scoring advantage. Often, that faster time is dependent upon nothing more that the footing (trip, fall, drop gun, BAD!) or due to longer legs. Can't change leg length, but can adjust to account for the surface. YMMV.

I can understand that not all ranges will be able to afford the same degree of footing for the movement between the boxes. My thought is--- if the footing on a range is loose gravel or shifting sand, or something else that requires great movement care and slows movement, as opposed to cropped grass on a hard & firm surface --- should those scores count for Classification/Peak scores? Could there not be a Rule regarding the surface used to allow OL classifications to be used? I am a Super Senior, and A Class in PCCO/RFRO/RFPO --- I don't advocate removing OL (although I do think a young, skinny, 6 foot 6 kid oughta be made to wear lead boots). .... Just leveling the playing field regarding classifications. If I'm moving on a slippery or uneven surface, my scores will not be the same as if I were on a firm surface. Just a thought.

Yes. GP-100 grips fit, I have tested. So do the spring kits for the GP-100 that will reduce the DA trigger pull.

I use a PACT timer with a cord that I can hang around my next, and lay it on my center chest. It's set for Delay. I assume the Low Ready firing position (long gun or pistol... Steel Challenge A Class in RFRO/PCCO/RFPO) and once there I shift the support hand to hit the timer ON. I have 3 seconds to get that hand back into position for the BEEP. It works for me better than a belt, because the movement of the support hand is less, and I don't have to fumble on the belt. YMMV

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

+1 This makes an incredible amount of practical commonsense. Why not just buy new mags for a gun that you already shoot in order to shoot it in a new division? Seems like a pretty logical, and economical, approach to me.

+1. The Ruger PC works well out of the box and does accept Glock mags. I use a stock gun with an RMR sight and made A Class in Steel Challenge. The reason I selected the Ruger PC was because, other than 1.5 pounds of extra weight, it was almost identical to my Ruger Take Down Lite RFRO (A Class) gun. Shooting one is like shooting the other. That might be a thought if, as he grows, he wants to get into Steel Challenge and shoot a .22.

Yes, sound like Yellow Jackets. You should get the club to buy a flamethrower

Same here. Same results.

A BIG +1! Inexperienced ROs can screw a lot of things up. Relying upon hazily-written Rules to justify their incompetence just makes things worse. Seen it. I RO two or three Steel club matches a month and always feel that the shooter gets the benefit of the doubt. Just because you're holding the timer doesn't mean you are GOD. You should be there to assist the shooter, not slam them. Commonsense has to enter at some point.

Same for me. Over 12,000 rounds in Steel Challenge RFRO and no probs. Mine was one of the earlier 6 MOA models, if that makes a difference.

I have a Blade Tech holster for my 6-inch GP 100. Works just fine. It's probably 8-9 years old, but I can't believe they stopped making them. The 6-inch GP 100 is very popular in ICORE.

That Mike has stayed out of the way and let Zack grow Steel Challenge shows me that Mike is a very good CEO. Delegate responsibility to those who do it well. The SC growth has shown that Zack has done it well. That's one reason I voted for Mike. GOF A55647

Kinda like being a politician? Mike Foley has grown Steel Challenge significantly... and, at my age I am primarily SC shooter. ...I have limited experience but could see some changes... doesn't get my vote. Mike Foley already has.

+1. I just cast my vote for Foley. I looked at the growth, the new clubs, the new shooters entering the sport (who will be important VOTERS in national political elections.... why would they want to lose their gun rights when they have recently discovered how much recreational fun they can have with them?) Mike's done a good job. I see no reason to change.

I agree with the proposal to shoot Outer Limits in the same manner as Showdown... eliminating the movement on the clock between the shooting boxes. Steel Challenge should be about speed & accuracy... not long legs and quicker movement. Steel Challenge has become the shooting sport for those who previously shot USPSA/IDPA/ICORE at a high level, but with advancing age have lost the necessary mobility to move quickly enough to maintain their ratings in those games. They still want to shoot their guns and pay their annual USPSA membership and individual match fees. They are a consumer market. That should be considered. As well.... removing the movement on Outer Limits will help reduce the possibility of an accident among aging shooters who have not yet accepted their age. The OP on this thread addressing a potentially unsafe range condition for Outer Limits is spot on!

+1. That's an excellent suggestion. If the other shooters don't correct the jerk, the RO will get tired of "him" slowing the squad down and take some action. There's no point in the shooter getting into fisticuffs... allow peer pressure, or the RO, let the jerk know his actions are not appreciated.

Kinda seems that way.

Yes... many blowhards. I've certainly seen them in the decade+ that I've been ROing IDPA and Steel Challenge matches, as well as a few years working behind the counter at a local gun shop.. If you wish to make friends, and not be the "Squad Skunk"... don't walk up to a new shooter after they have painfully worked their way through the COF and then loudly announce " Ya know where ya screwed up there? I'll tell ya!" If a new shooter asks for your advice it is possibly because (A) they have seen you shoot well, and/or (B) you have established a friendly conversational relationship with them. They might be willing to listen, and try your advice. But, they have to want to receive it, and be amendable to it. That is largely dependent upon the demeanor of the shooter offering that advice. If you just shove it onto them, then "You Are That Guy" Don't Be That Guy. The sport will be better for it