BillChunn

Converting €3500 to current U.S. dollars (1 to 1.22 ratio) is $4,274 and change. My two P320 Legions were purchased for less than a grand each. So at this price, four Sig Sauer P320 Legions can be purchased for the price of one Alien.... with $274 left over for ammunition. And as stated, it didn't improve @Uomu scores over his Shadow 2. Will be interesting to see what DNROI's opinion will be. If it must have the IPSC mount (IPSC Retro PDO) then the optic cycles with the slide and it looks to be in the correct location for CO but the SAO trigger may disqualify it as the rules stand now. BC

Lots of other restrictions.... 4.2.1.1 Half-sized targets of either type are approved for use at Level I matches only and may be used together with full-size targets of same type on a course of fire. No portion of half-sized targets may be covered with hard cover or no-shoots; they must be presented as full targets. The opposite side may be used as a no-shoot target, as with full-sized targets, but they may only be used as free-standing no-shoots, and any half-sized target visually blocked in such a manner must be fully visible at some other point in the course of fire. Half-sized targets may not be mounted onto full-sized no-shoot targets or used as no-shoots on full-sized scoring targets. Restrictions on angle of placement still apply for IPSC targets. BC

@Lakehouse2012 and his crew at Howell Gun Club did an outstanding job hosting their first SCSA match. The pistol ranges are fitted with overhead steel baffles that prevent a round from getting out of the property. They used a transit to verify that the SC targets were at the correct height using the shooter's box as the starting point. The bays sloped slightly upward so when initially looking at the setup, the plates all looked low, but were in fact the exact correct height. To make setup easy, magnets were suspended on wires from the overhead baffles so every target would be setup consistently in the right place and height. This is a very creative solution to the problem faced by every SC setup crew, getting the targets set correctly. While initially walking the stages, the thought crossed my mind that they had not started setup yet. Then one of the plates was spotted as it was still unpainted. It was raw steel and stood out against the white background! They had in fact completed setup, but with snow on the ground, the white-painted plates simply disappeared. The solution was to go to the local hardware store and get some eggshell yellow colored paint so the plates could be found against the white background. That worked very well! On every bay, there is a three-sided enclosed pavillion for the shooters that was heated with propane powered burners. That really came in handy when the sun went behind the clouds and the temperature plunged. The appreciation level went up exponentially when a brief shower of freezing rain came rolling in. The RO's had all completed the NROI training and the SC portion so they knew what they were doing. It was a great turn out for a winter December day with 38 guns running four stages. The initial plan was to have 5 but setting up the fifth stage would have delayed the start of the match. With the cold weather, just doing the 4 stages was fine by me. Everyone helped teardown while a couple of the experienced competitors helped out with the tablets and getting the results uploaded to PractiScore. The schedule is to host two SCSA matches per month through the winter. Overall, an excellent match where everyone had fun and no one was DQ'ed. An outstanding achievement seeing that 40% or more of the participants had never shot Steel Challenge before this match. If you are interested in participating, check out the club website at www.howellgunclub.org BC

Did TSA fit your Barsto barrel? If so, how did it come out? With the new barrel and fitting job, what pound recoil spring are you using? BC

Sig and everybody else that makes this part should manufacture them exactly like this.... Thanks @echotango Now where the hell is my Dremel..... BC

It is with a heavy heart that this post is written. Craig Hart passed away on December 20, 2020. He was a life member of USPSA and one of the best "go to" guys when something was needed on the range. Craig was there for match setup, prop building and always responded to questions with kindly words of advice. He was an avid supporter of the sport at multiple clubs not only in his home state of Michigan but he also had a winter home in Arizona. He competed in 3-gun matches and would proudly speak of his participation in "Heavy Metal" division where the larger caliber weapons were required. Craig was one of the active members of the Motor City Speed Shooters at Detroit Sportsmen's Congress. As everyone in this sport knows, it's the volunteers that make it happen. Craig was one of those outstanding individuals. I'm priviledged to have know him and called him my friend. You will be sorely missed. Link to obituary. BC

For me, pre-travel does make a difference. I prefer a solid wall with very little trigger movement. If the pre-travel screw is set in too far, the trigger does not reset. There is still some pre-travel movement with how I set my AC trigger. It moves the minimum distance to cam the striker safety out of the way. The striker safety is still functional so the gun is drop safe. It was tested with a snap cap in place and dropped to the floor from waist height, directly on the beavertail and the muzzle several times. The striker never released. YMMV BC

@wurm the DAA primer tube loader runs well if you have relatively "clean" primers. The mechanism rolls them around until they reach the correct orientation to be pulled around a circular plate that moves them up to the loading chute. When they are rolling around, some of the primer compound has a tendancy to come out and slow down the primers sliding around and clog the holes leading to the outside of the plate. Winchester primers are notorious for this (thousands of small rifle on hand.... doh!) and the machine requires cleaning once every 1,000 primers or so. Pledge furniture polish makes all the plastic surfaces much slicker so the primers move well after this is applied to the rotating plate. A Q-Tip is used to clean the "chute" and apply a very small amount of Pledge to this area. The primers slide down the chute and under the optic sendor and then are pushed sideways into the primer tube. Primer tube alignment is also critical as the primers must free fall into the tube after being pushed sideways. If it's not aligned correctly, the primers back up on the chute until the optic sensor detects them and shuts down the machine. The big improvement over the original version was an improved circulating plate with closer tolerances and some scoring done on the plastic chute to reduce friction when the primers slid down it. My process is to open each 100 pack of WSR primers and wipe the flat side with a cleaning patch containing an evaporative solution. That removes any residual compound from the manufacturing process. Then dump them into the machine, attach a tube and start it up. While it's running, fill the powder hopper and check the thrown charge weights on the scale, then fill the brass and bullet hoppers. The machine will stop if it detects an error such as primers backing up on the chute or no primers going past the "counting" optic sensor in a certain amount of time. It also shuts off when it has counted 99-100 primers going past the optic sensor. Normally at least 400 primers are loaded in the machine. Bottom line, it allows me to get through my setup procedure quicker as the primers are loading while other things are being accomplished. BC

If it's 1 toe out of 10 then is the percentage 10% ? Asking for a friend...... BC

The **Generic thumb rest** is a bit more than $15.... Plan ahead. Have backup parts in the gun bag. BC

Bruce Gray is a business owner and has my respect for creating products for our niche market. There is a certain amount of liability relating to gun parts and specifically trigger parts. Sig identified that there is a certain amount of pre-travel required on the trigger so that if the P320 is dropped and it lands on the heel of the weapon (which is the famous "drop test") it will not activate the firing mechanism. The original P320's did not have the safety cam but did have a much heavier trigger part. That was the reason for the recall and the no-charge retro fit that included a skeletonized trigger. His insistance that only his trigger should be used with his trigger upgrade kits seems as a warning to those that decide to install a different trigger. After installing the Armory Craft trigger, if the pre-travel screw is set in too far, cycling the slide will not reset the trigger. Setting the two adjustment screws is a process. You screw one of them all the way in and then start backing it out until the gun functions. Then you do the same for the other one. If the set screws are in too far, the gun doesn't function. Either it will not fire when the trigger is pulled or the trigger does not reset. Turn the screw another 1/8 turn out and try again. In addition, the trigger still has to move a certain amount when pulled to get the gun to fire. The pre-travel screw simply sets where you feel the wall, the point were additional pressure has to be applied to move the trigger. There is a cam that moves during the trigger pull. You can see it's action by looking at the side of the slide, near the back when you pull the trigger. The slide will move ever so slightly up and then forward. To check for the abillity to fire out of battery, cycle the slide and hold it to the rear. Slowly let the slide move forward while pulling the trigger multiple times. The firing pin should NOT be released until the barrel / slide are completely locked together. The point of the AC trigger is to adjust pre-travel. It's up to you to adjust the set screws correctly and then lock-tite them in place. DISCLAIMER: I am not a gunsmith, I've never played one on TV and I didn't stay at the Holiday Inn last night. I have not attended the Sig P-Series Armorer class. This post contains information gleaned by installing and adjusting the AC triggers in my two Legions. Proceed at your own risk. As to the original upgrades question: Gray Guns Competition trigger kit installed by Robert Burke of The Sig Armorer along with his Competition trigger job. Armory Craft trigger *Generic thumb rest* Take Down Lever (gets the thumb to the same place every time) GX Products holster Sig Romeo3 XL 6 moa dot Live Fire Practice Products removed: Hogue grip - It added a nice feel to the grip for larger hands but induced too much dot bounce. The rubber grip acted as a shock absorber and the gun moved around more with it than without it. BC

It certainly would be considerate to the shooting community to inform everyone as soon as possible. The there is Governor Whitmer. She is hell bent on destroying the Michigan economy while dressing up as some sort of empress. Since the Michigan Supreme Court slapped her down, ruling that her executive orders over-stepped her authority, she just has the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) issue the orders she dictates. The previous one was issued December 8th and went into effect December 9th. Another one was just issued on December 18th and went into effect December 21st. When the state locks you our of your clubs indoor pistol range on this short notice, it just plain sucks. BC

Laser engraved numbers on the TTi basepads. Additional details in this thread (<-- click). BC

Sig Romeo 3 XL with 3 MOA dot because the large glass helps find the next plate during transitions and the small dot allows me to see the rest of the plate around the dot. For SC it's all about getting your hits. Run the same optic on the RFPO. Same on the Carry Optic guns except in 6 MOA. BC

Never mind... found it. BC

On my first Legion, with the slide removed from the grip and the guide rod and recoil spring still in place, the stock Sig barrel can be moved side to side and front to rear. It is a very slight movement in both directions but it still moves. This is with the barrel locking lugs pressed up against the slide. Now it is understood that these are not Bullseye type weapons and must go completely into battery every single time, but this just seems a little bit excessive. This is being addressed with Robert Burke of The Sig Armorer. A "gunsmith fit" BarSto barrel was found at Springer Precision and forwarded to be fit to the Legion. When it gets back (sometime mid-January) another comparison can be done with that barrel. Since there are two Legions available, the second one has the same issue with the stock Sig barrel. The two pictures show how much the barrel moves from side to side.

What handgun do you carry for self defense? Glock 21 w/laser Why that gun? My daughter worked at Detroit Receiving Hospital ER (also know as "Gunshot Central"). She came home one day and said "I know why you carry a .45". What holster position? 3:00 OWB, FBI cant. What division and classification are you (if any)? Open & PCC - B What else would you consider carrying? Depending on the weather and how I have to dress, my Sig P365 which also has a laser. BC

Is the match on PractiScore? If so, under what club name? Thanks, BC

How many stages are you setting up? Match fee? Can multiple divisions (guns) be shot in the match? Price for 2nd gun? PM sent. Thanks, BC

{sarcasm on} All of the above.... It's even more impressive when you do the Flip 'n Catch in Revolver division..... {sarcasm off} BC

Correct. The current version of the Legion is setup for the Sig Romeo 1 and a couple of others. The Springer Precision adapter plate uses those holes in the slide and provides another set of threaded holes (and matching screws) for the identified variety of other red dots. The Romeo3 XL and Romeo3 Max use the same mounting holes. BC

Even if it strikes a No Shoot.... Painting the barrel between shooters takes very little time (and paint) as only the area that was struck is repainted or repaired. When a certain RM here in Michigan runs a stage, he uses black duct tape. Places the roll on top of the barrel for easy access. This makes scoring so much easier, specifically when two successive competitors hit the barrel. Once glances off and hits a target and should be scored. The second goes in and out of the barrel, hits a target and should not be scored. The RO cannot tell the difference if the first one was not repainted or repaired and did not see the glance mark or the in and out holes when they were created be each competitor. For a Level 1 it might not be a big deal but for L2 & L3 it will be. The CRO (or the designated RO) is responsible to verify that the stage is ready for the next competitor before the "Make Ready" command. That includes the painted / repaired hardcover along with all the activators, poppers, plates, scoring targets and No Shoots. This is part of competitive equity described in 2.3.7. The stage should be the same for every shooter. BC

We are on Amazon Prime and they are very prompt. USPS is a total joke here in Detroit. Packages have been tracked (when an actual number was provided) into the Detroit distribution center on 12/1/20 and finally delivered on 12/12/20. Made the scenic journey through two other post offices before being crammed into the mailbox. BC

4.1.4 Targets used in a course of fire may be partially or wholly hidden through the use of hard or soft cover: 4.1.4.1 Cover provided to hide all or a portion of a target will be considered hard cover. When possible, hard cover should not be simulated but constructed using impenetrable materials (see Rule 2.1.3). Whole cardboard targets must not be used solely as hard cover. 4.1.4.2 Cover provided merely to obscure targets is considered soft cover. Shots which have passed through soft cover and which strike a scoring target will score. Shots that have passed through soft cover before hitting a no-shoot will be penalized. All scoring zones on targets hidden by soft cover must be left wholly intact. Targets obscured by soft cover must either be visible through the soft cover or a portion of the affected target(s) must be visible from around or over the soft cover. If you setup a swinger and you do not want it shot until it is activated, you place hard cover in front of it. A metal plate or a plastic barrel so a round cannot go through it and be scored on the un-activated swinging target. Hard cover can be placed almost anywhere on the stage as long as it's a safe distance from the competitor as described in 2.1.3 and that's enforced by 10.5.17. It is usually painted black and hits on it should be repainted for each shooter (Level 2) and it's considered appropriate in Level 1 matches to paint it between squads. On steel hard cover, it usually makes a nice "Boiiing" sound as the round strikes, bringing a smile to everyone's face except the actual competitor who took the shot..... If you place a canvas or material covering that blocks a portion of the target from being seen, that's soft cover and the target can be engaged by shooting through the material. One of the most common setups is sack cloth strung on a rope in front of targets where the heads are visible above the material. The portion that reads "All scoring zones on targets hidden by soft cover must be left wholly intact. " means you cannot paint black hardcover on targets that are hidden behind the soft cover material. The down side to soft cover is if you don't replace it during the match once it is "shot up" then the later squads just shoot where the great big hole in the center is located, striking the "A" zone of the covered target(s). BC

Certainly hope some of these companies (other than BarSto) start making barrels for the P320 X-Five Legion. A majority of them offer barrels for the P320 Compact and even some have barrels for the P365 but not the Legion. BC