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I like that idea! I've been shooting HM since I started 3-gun. I've been to a major match out-of-town where I took 2nd Place Overall and the most expensive prize left on the table was a case of 223 ammo (1st place prize was a 223 rifle). It was disappointing, but I couldn't let it ruin the love for the sport and the great match that it was. I'll keep shooting HM. Perhaps in time, I can beat that Trapr guy for the rifle.

I'm also very curious about the high DQ rate. I'm seeing some very well known and experienced 3-gunners among them. Was there something in common, like a stage that perhaps was pushing the 180?

If you were to look at all of the rifles used by competitors in 3-gun matches, you'll note that most of the rifles will have JP parts in them. That alone has a lot to say about JP products.

I saw that happen to someone also.. We didn't know it at first and we couldn't understand why he was unable to put down a popper even at close range. When we checked the shotgun after, we saw that it had a rifled barrel. He shot the rest of the match with someone else's shotgun.

IF I was to get an M1A, I would likely get the Scout. The standard M1A's barrell is a bit to long for my taste. The Socom, as cool as it looks, is not practical for me as I'm more likely to shoot 3-gun rather than CQB with it. The Scout is the good median with an 18" barrel. But that's just me, and you know I shoot a JP Rifle. If you want to try work with what you got already, I recommend a Lyman Globe front sight like JJ and I have. Mine has the thin post insert which I allows me to still see the distant targets. But then again, that's just me, and I got my @ss handed to me at Ozark's this year.

There are plenty of quality manufacturers to choose from...Yankee Hill, GG&G, and Troy Industries are my preferences.

Kirk, Your a stand-up guy and I respect and thank you for that. Keep your chin up and your spirits high. There will never be a "perfectly ran" match, as there will always be someone who will not be happy about something. But never forget that the majority of us invests in attending these matches because of our love of the sport. Most of us average joes that come to these matches don't expect to win a big prize. We come for a fun time and to be in the company of some great guys. And thats exactly what everyone had despite the issues that arrised afterwards. I hope all the rantings and complaining does not derail you from making this event happen again. The opinions of a few will never outweigh the appreciation of the majority. We can thank all the sponsors and all the pros who bring attention and support to our sport, but the real thanks goes to guys like you, Larry, and all the RO's and staff who volunteer countless of hours to make this event happen and giving it your best to make the event run as smoothly as possible. It is you guys, not the sponsors or the pros, that are the real driving factor in keeping our sport alive and well. My hat's off to you guys. Jomar Villamor

You can try the Sleep Inn Hotel in Camdenton. We stayed there last year ad it was actually closer and less traffic to get out to the property where the match is.

I'll bring it down to Ozark with me just to tease you, or perhaps distact you enough so I can try to beat you.

Thank you to Tim and Nordic Components. They are such a great supporter of our sport. I've never been to a large match where Nordic Components has not been a sponsor of some type. So when they came calling for RO's, it was the least I could do for them. And what a fun match it was. I can now honestly boast that I've shot charcoal brickettes in the air. Thank you also to Randy Luth and the Del-Tone/Luth Range. It was great to be back shooting a big match again at that range, not to mention my home state. As Tim said, I too hope to see this event to grow as big as the Tri-Gun Challenge once was. To my fellow RO's, we had a great bunch and thanks for the company and laughs. Special recognitions goes out to Susan Whitt and Bill Hartman. They each won a full size pepper popper which they in turn donated to the Minnesota 3-Gun Group. On behalf of the Minnesota 3-Gun Group, a big thank you to them. We love the sport, but the appreciation and support of those that participate are the driving force for us in the group to work hard on continuing the sport here in Minnesota.

Punch in these GPS coordinates in Google Map...38.039371, -92.651943 Or try this link: http://www.google.com/search?q=38.039371%2C-92.651943&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1 This is the entrance to the property where last year's match was held and I was told (not confirmed) that it is in the same property again for this year. We stayed at the Sleep Inn Hotel in Camdenton last year which was actually closer and less traffic to get out to the property.

WOW!!!

Agree with Brian. Most 3G stage procedures will not require you to have your long gun slung while shooting another gun. Having a sling on your long gun will be more of a hinderance. In 3G, your shooting againts a clock, therefore versatility is a plus. Having to get into a good shooting position with a sling each and everytime you have to shoot will just slow you down, and a sling increases your chances of havign it get tangled onto something, including your body when the stage procedure requires you to have to abandon the long gun. On the other hand, if the stage do require you to have your long gun slung, then by all means have it pre-adjusted so it would help give you a steadier aim. I use the VTAC 2-point sling in both my rifle and shotgun, but ONLY WHEN REQUIRED by the stage procedure. The advantage of the VTAC is its quick adjust function. I can clinch it tight to my body when slung to keep it secured and from bouncing around when I run. Then with the quick release and the pre-adjusted slack, I can get it to the right adjustment quickly to aid in steadying my aim.

Kinda like driving to work alone and using a baby doll in the baby seat to get in the car pool lane....

Don't tell that to most of the HeMan shooters I know that HAVE to use a pump, AND do it on a regular basis with 3 popper/flippers in a row... jj I've seen He-Man shooters work a pump as if it was a semi. They use the recoil to help pull the chager back and then push it forward to get back to the same line of sight they had before.

If you have to use a pump, as required to shoot in the He-Man division. I recommend the Nova. I ran a Mossberg 590 for several years as I already had it before competiting. Unlike the 870, the loading ramp of a 500/590 stays in the up position when the bolt is closed, making for an easier load. The Nova does the something similar. With the bolt closed, you push up the loading ramp once and it stays up until you work the action again. The advantage of the Nova is its huge loading port. You can talk performance of a shotgun all you want, but in competition, it is the clock you're fighting against. And nothing eats more time than loading the shotgun. It is what makes and breaks it for most people. The Remignton 870, the Mossberg 500/590, and the Benelli Nova are all great guns with proven track records. But as for the ease of loading, the Nova stands out the best.

teejay, thanks for sharing the videos. I've seen this happen once with an angled dump barrel that was a bit short. With the weight of an unloaded shot gun being mostly in the stock end half, the shotgun ended up with the stock on the ground and the barrel still inside the mouth of the dump barrel. I agree. Good point. And an unloaded firearm cannot have an accidental discharge should one screw up. Think about the liabilties if someone was to get hit...a possible lawsuit, possible criminal charges, and your conscious. I'm starting to see more people dumping their firearms as fast as they could, and some of them are down right scary. Lets face it, most people have modified their guns to be a little more competitive. And some of this modifications sacrifices a bit of the safety mechanism of the firearms. Let this video be a lesson to those who have not experienced this, have not been around an accidental discharge, have not have to look down the receiving end of a loaded firearm, or have not seen a live person get shot. I hope you never do. Those that have will all tell you it is not joy what so ever.

I think your referring to the Carbon Arms TWinS System. Check out this thread... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=125126

Oh, I am considering this option as an alternate...just trying to figure out how I'm going to finance it... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=124854

Same problem I have being on the slimmer side, and I shoot Heavy Metal so real estate on the belt is really at a prime with 8-10 round handgun mags and 20 round rifle magazines. Having to maximaize space, I chose to go with the 6-shell strippers from California Competition Works instead of the 4-shell. But then came the problem that they are too long to be running in the front of your belt (quite noticable and painful when you have to go into a low position). So I looked into the chest rig and at the time, and maybe still is, the only one that were made were the Otto's. I wasn't too flattered with the flimsy platform and the lenght was just too much for my taste. I wanted something with a more solid backing so there is less movement when I grab the shells. My solution was to make one myself. My chest rig has 3 6-shell stripper which is velcroed to the platform. I use velcro as I could still remove the strippers from the chest rig and use them on my belt. The rig's platform has a solid piece of lightweight corrugated plastic inside. I also made the straps adjustable and attaches to my belt on the back so the weigth does not pull it down the front. All in all, the materials (minus the shell strippers) cost me about $20. I've been running the rig along with 2 other shell strippers on my belt for 3 years now averaging about 3 major and 5 local matches a year. So far, it has held up. I use it specifically for high round shotgun stages or when running with a lot of other gears on my belt. For the stages with low shotgun round, I use the stippers on the belt.

There were a few people taking pictures of the results posted on the wall. Did anyone here happen to take photos of the Heavy Metal and Tactical Iron results? If so, please share.

The only difference between us is that I was the 1st Loser.

Ever consider going into Heavy Metal? You already have a 1911 and a pump shotgun, all you'll need is a 308 rifle.

If you don't get an answer here, try AR15.com. Here is a link to a recent posting by someone looking for the same thing. I don't know how far these clubs are from you but you can try to contact the folks posting there. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=23&t=452642 Good luck.

I'm by no means an expert or a pro. But to help a Heavy Metal brother out, here are a couple of things to try... On Stage 2 and 3, you shot your rifle on the table using your magazine as a monopod. Try to set your forearm on the table itself instead of monopoding off the magazine. I found this to be a more stable shooting platform as your not balancing the front and rear of the rifle at its midpoint. By using the table, the front end of your rifle is more stable. Also in this position, you can somewhat hold down the rifle to the table and it would reduce the recoil and time it takes to re-acquire your sights. On Stage 3, after moving from the prone position to the next position, you fired off 5 rounds before going completely empty and had to do a standing reload. Standing reload eats time so try to do your reloads while on the move. Counting your rounds or estimating how many rounds is left in your gun would also help you decide if you need to reload while moving to avoid a standing reload. Other than that, you shoot well. Where is Summit Point located at? Looks like they put on very good stages.