Chris iliff

I'm guessing they don't understand the EXACT what and how? I think if they understood that shot calling would help them not only shoot more accurately, but will also help them shoot quicker,....they'd embrace the skill wholeheartedly. This is the one skill that should be pursued until completely mastered. It's not that hard and will not take that long. It will pay the biggest dividend. It should be done at every practice, until mastered. Then practiced with every shot,

Good drill to start seeing the front sight...... Aim at the ground, berm, whatever,......pull the trigger as fast as you can six times. I mean fast...get a good grip and rip it 6 shots. BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG. NOW, PUT ALL YOUR FOCUS ON THE FRONT SIGHT AND WATCH IT. REMEMBER WE ARE NOT AIMIMG, WE ARE SIMPLY POINTING AT GROUND AND RIPPING OFF THE SHOTS. OUR PURPOSE IS PURELY TO LEARN TO SEE THE SIGHT AND FIGURE OUT WHY WE ARE NOT. This is a simple drill that will allow you to start finding the sight. It's not gonna happen any other way. Tips...... As you are doing this, pay attention to your face and eyes. Got some twitches and blinks I bet......now get rid of them. Notice them then get rid of them during the exercise. It's your muscles in your head, control them. Then, once you start seeing the sights and recognize what it takes to keep those eyes open,...start doing Bill Drills. From holster, six shots in the A zone at seven yards, hands surrender, .........2 seconds or less for master class. Remember,....it's an explosion 2 or three feet in front of your face, it might take some time, but you'll get it. Also, once you have it, you'll need to redo the exercise as needed. Some of the best shooters make this a regular check to ensure they don't develop a blink or flinch. So, no big deal if you have to redo every once in awhile.

1. You need to learn to call your shots. IT STARTS HERE. So, start digging in the search function. Lots of ways to do this,.....do them all. 2. DRYFIRE lots of DRYFIRE. Find a drill (El Presidente for example) DRYFIRE the heck out of it, then when you go to the range and live fire the drill. You can do this with many drills. DRY DRY DRY,.....go to range and livefire. Conserve ammo and DRYFIRE twice for every livefire while at the range. 3. Most people don't. You can get really good just dryfiring a lot. I recommend Steve Andersons DRYFIRE books. They are the original and will quickly get you up to par. 4. Learning SHOT CALLING is the absolute gem of all gems. This is a must. Everything about this sport starts here. This is first and foremost a SHOOTING sport. Calling the shot should be the centerpiece of your training until you can do it.

Already have this thread......... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3688

You know, you can "math" this question. If you know "any" hit factor in any division and the points and time associated,.... then you can figure out the %100 for that the division.

Great talking to you! I made master in open about 2 years ago...........still a long way to go.

You don't need to defend anything. I'm not really disagreeing. I want competition shooters to know that maybe what helped me, might help them is all. The video is a good instruction. This is a shooting forum. It's all good. I learned something about myself through shooting, that it was easy for me to get an idea or technique and be very set in it. Thankfully, I also learned that this could hamper my progression, despite my intent. Part of this was trigger control. Until I sped that process up and really worked on my trigger press at USPSA trigger speeds, it didn't matter how good I was at bullseye speeds. I owe Manny Bragg that wisdom. For me, it's not right or wrong, that's for suckers, it's all good. But,....I try to add that one piece that might help turn on the bulb for some other shooter. So, in this instance, I felt that one tidbit is to be aware of the sport you are in and learn at that speed.

That all still applies...just faster. I don't think you would call me slow on the trigger. How could I call you slow, I don't know you? Haha For me, I learned trigger control at high speed, shooting like we (USPSA) shoot. First, for me, it seems inherently counter productive to stand and shoot like I'm doing bullseye. It just didn't help me. It's not what I'm moving around a stage doing. Do I slow fire for accuracy? Yes of course, it's good stuff. Can I learn trigger control doing slow fire, yes of course. Does this translate to good trigger control while I have both hands on the gun running around a stage shooting as fast as I can call the shots? NOPE Just didn't work for me that way. What did work? A class I took with Manny in which he described the three different trigger pulls we use at USPSA matches and the drill to subconsciously ingrain these different trigger pulls so they can be executed during the match. So for me, this was what clicked and the drill is your basic Near to Far drill.

That was fairly basic but good info. For high speed competition shooters,.....I might go a different route for my trigger control.

Guys, what if you had a 1.2 turn and draw.........Then maybe a 1.5 sec reload? Is this slow? Neither time is stellar is what I'm kinda reading ...... according to some posting. I'd suggest a further break down. Those two times above basically encompass two of the twelve shots of an El Prez.........plus all the so called movement (turn and draw/reload). There are only 10 shots left. From here on out its just shooting. What I'm saying is don't get discouraged. Last I looked the GM range in most divisions is right about 5 SECONDS TOTAL, if the hits are there. So, using my above times, you've got 2.3 seconds left for ten shots and that's at splits of .23,.....VERY DOABLE. This is just GM territory. The beginning. A guy like Jake practiced until he could hang 12 on the paper, probably mostly all A's, and be below 4 sec. So 5-6 second El Pez's are yawners for him and some other top flight shooters.

Cleaning guns, right,...surely you jest, hahaha. Unload, lock back that slide, insert pinky finger in the opening and clean the feed ramp with said finger. Then apply that black stuff on the end of your pinky finger to your face like war paint. Go shoot. Oh, almost forgot, couple drops of oil from the leftover oil that you used when you did your own oil change. Easy peasy, done. High end, middle end and low end handgun cleaning 101.

Hi Matt, It kinda surprises me that this didn't get more response. We have probably all done what you describe to some extent or another. What helped me was establishing a mental program. Might want to get Lanny Bassham's book "With Winning in Mind". I think about all kinds of things during a match, but definitely during stage prep and shooting,...my mental program is at the forefront, and this, for me, stops what you describe.

I've had the privilege to work the FOP and those competitors know to paste when they are at this match. Yes, maybe AT home they don't, but At the FOP they do. That was my experience as an RO at the FOP anyway. VERY GOOD MATCH BY THE WAY.

Jake, I honestly don't know what Moto is talking about. Nor, do I care to figure it out. I gave up on his negativity awhile back. But to be clear,....... I wasn't trolling anyone. But, your response made my day!

Of course. Let me clarify one thing though. I did write "kick ass" facility, but in my mind I meant nice backdrop. I notice the backdrop on shows, what's in the background etc. As one small example......I want to see nice wall sections as part of the stages. Nice steel, props etc. not some crappy trashed up bays and props. I don't think just "any" range fits the bill. So, while the range doesn't have to be spectacular it does need some nice asthetics. That's kinda what I meant. As for some top names, it might not be important, but it doesn't hurt. I do agree that as long as the competitors could banter it up and were reliable it could work. You really make some interesting points. I always thought Top Shot, was the milquetoast version of a good show. I watched for a bit, but lost interest. What would make a great show?

You can watch some of my match video on youtube, there is usually at least one .12 or lower per match without trying for it and I averaged about 95% points last year across all matches. And someone needs to convince old Truk to put more than one mag pouch on his belt. That doesn't surprise me Jake, I've RO'd you and I've seen you shoot, lol. I'm positive you could "try" and be consistently below the .12's on most targets. But for most, including this Master (albeit out of practice) .12's for now would be pushing it.

me too. if i shoot a .10 it was an accident or hammer follow I honestly don't know what I could pull, but I'm guessing anything I got below .12 would be an accident, lol. I do know a guy that can pull some freakishly crazy splits. You might know him,.....he goes by Truk Snave.

Master class 2011 GANS open gun .15 or so. That's all A's and seeing. Sure like to see these on demand .10's and .12's with accompanying video and of course the hits on target too. I know some guys that can pull on demand .10's and .12's, but they know it's not practical and they know it gains them little. Basically it's a circus trick. They shoot the A's during matches and normally run .15's to .25's depending on target difficulty.

No words wiser

Ok, dont know where I got this, maybe Bashaam, but practice is pretty simple. Think of the following not in terms of practice, but in terms of just doing the activity. 1 time a week,......almost no gain, might even get worse over time. 2 times a week.......very little gain over 1 a week, development very slow. 3 times a week........very good and substantial gain over 2 times a week, optimal for most people. 4 times a week........this gain is not as much as moving from 2 times a week to 3 times a week, but is a big enough gain that some will find this worthwhile, some not. 5 times a week........the additional gains over 4 times a week are so small, we have to question the additional time. From 5 times and up, we are either ELITE athletes or professionals in our field of endeavor. Of course the gains are there, but they are so small with the additional effort only the most committed professionals practice much more than 4 or 5 times a week. These people are the elites. Edited to add: This held true for me whether I was making B class, or pushing for Master. 3-4 times a week was optimal. So that was like 2 or 3 practice sessions a week and 1 match. Hope that helps

Phoenix Trinity

I've wondered this myself. Inevitably when I show someone a video of a shooter shooting a stage, they want to see more. Our sport is pretty darn neat. It captures the imagination. I think it also scares the hell out of the average shooter, including current hosts of any shooting program. I go back to ego. You are dealing with ego. How can you continue boring your audience once you've showed them the true limits of pistol craft??? You know, a tamed JJ is what Top Shot gave us. Most shooters can't grasp the high octane endeavor we take for granted, this includes the hosts. So, snippets are the best we will get from them. It would take a sizable investment, some great marketing, participation buy in from at least 4-5 of the top shooters and a kick ass facility. Guaranteed money, condensed film schedule, and all this accompanied by normal shooters too It could be done, it would grab and hold attention.

Good stuff, which leads to the obvious question,....why does pulling away seem easier, than driving into the target,...when we are shooting on the move?For most people the pulling away, or backing up and shooting, is easier because the movement is smoother. Why? Because when we back up our foot strike is from balls of feet transitioning to heel. Depending on speed, the heel may never strike at all with some shooters. Driving in or shooting moving forward, our solid heel strikes first, which offers no cushion, except that which is provided by the knee, hence bend at the knees, then bend more. Watching the great gymnast and dancers move is a lesson in smooth. We find that their heads do not bob up and down and their gate is almost unrecognizable as they move to and fro. They seem to move smoothly, fluidly, and gracefully. Why? Because forwards or backwards they strike balls of feet first, heels barely touching or never. So............ Either bend your knees more, much more......when moving forward and shooting. Or Or Wait for it........ Take ballet.

Me too, .......and by golly, we'd both be a second slow. Lol.

Everything Sarge has said. Everything Motosapiens has said. Changing our target gets us NOTHING. It will not change the mind or imagination of those who despise any form of gun ownership. They will always find a way to suppress what they don't understand. ALWAYS. Just ask Europe,....Hey Europe turtle shooters, how's that erosion of your gun rights going? That there Turtle target slow it down? Get you money? Keep ranges open? Expand your sport? Bring out new, previously anti gun shooters? Swell the ranks? Yep, what I thought. I can't even understand how a legitimate freedom loving gun competitor could even argue the change. We can be our own worse enemy. Geez.