Chris iliff

Good points, but if the RO really didn't see the infraction, and everyone else did, I think it would be good to consider why, and to address that issue if necessary (with better positioning, etc...). Sometimes the peanut gallery is wrong, so the RO really needs to see the infraction and be certain of it. Good points. This is why I used the phrase, "there would be plenty of "learning" going on" Everyone, including the RO, has something to learn from such an incident.

Couple have it right. The rest, not so much. IMHO Gary Stevens is correct. Alma is correct. If I was the RO and did not see this and the "peanut gallery" caused my shooter to STOP. Shooter gets a reshoot. EVERYTIME. This is such s slippery slope. SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY is first and foremost in my mind as I RO. Are RO's perfect? Of course not, and I applaud the peanut gallery and would never discourage anyone from speaking up. But, as Gary pointed out, I can not make a call (DQ) on what I myself did not see OR ANOTHER ASSIGNED RO. I WILL NEVER DO THAT. I am sure that in the aftermath of an incident like this that there would be plenty of "learning" going on, RESHOOT

Again, I agree with CHA-LEE. I also feel my status as a CRO is safe.

Does that mean you disagree with the rulebook and the NROI's interpretation thereof? Moto, if someone said 2+2=4 I am sure you would argue with them. It's kinda what you do,......isn't it? Lol

I agree with CHA-LEE. This is definitely a game that should only be played by those that can safely handle a firearm. I have never seen a trap that IMHO was not simply a shooter induced screw up. I am not adverse to MD's or RO's pointing out targets close to the 180 before the start of the stage. I don't however make that my practice. Now, I have been part of discussions on whether this target could be shot at this point. Does this position break the 180, type questions? I see no harm in that either. I find this equivalent to complaining about easy or hard stages. Stages designed for GM/M shooters or stages designed for C shooters. I guess I don't get it all that much.

This is basically it. ^^^^^^^^^Of course, doing this does not net all alphas and I will go out on a limb and say that Nimitz knows this and didn't mean it that way. I didn't take it that way? I am sure most experienced shooters didn't either. I'm glad it got sorted out and some of the less experienced shooters pointed out how it could be misconstrued. I know what Nimitz is saying and agree 100%. To excel in this sport you have to also do what Bill says,...... prepare better in all things shooting related. Now, I would add, constantly strive to do all things more efficiently/faster. Whether that's learning how to hammer close targets or leave a position or whatever. Our sport is points divided by time, more points, less time, win win.

I find this true for me too. My turn and draw is just about .2 slower than my regular relaxed draw.

Polite? Lol, welcome! This forum is the best of its kind. Glad to have you aboard.

I think doing what you say is pretty smart. Never quit pushing and learning and trying to save time.

Yep, at Atlanta's first match this year I joked with Chad about being lackadaisical when he shot the classifier. With no practice and a fumbled reload I barely managed a 75%. Chad looked slow and methodical yet beat my time by .3 seconds (or more) and got more points I think. He is now at that special place were he is making it look easy, IMHO. But, I know that GM card is a testament to his continuous hard work and dedication. Chad just out works everyone.

Pics of targets and groups. Thanks.

Let's break it down. A 1.5 sec turn and draw plus a 1.5 second reload with .25 splits and transitions gets you a 5.50 sec El Prez. If I figured correctly. This gets you to the GM range in some divisions. Close in others. The point is ....you are on the right track. Place your emphasis where necessary.

I too served in the 80's as an Electronic Technician in the U.S. Navy. I am sure there are many Soviet heroes, the Russian people are like anyone else. I just refuse to watch a show that depicts supporters of that ideology as heroes. So for me, the show is terrible. I can't watch it.

I don't get all the "going to need a gunsmith" crap concerning the Edge. Call Dawson, buy from them. Get your mags tuned. Develop a load that works. Don't fiddle with it. Pretty simple. I've found that most "gun problems with custom type guns" are owner related. Yeah, they want to blame the smith, but it's usually their fault. Some people just got to tinker and 10 "tinkers" later they have a boat anchor and whine about the gun and smith. YMMV I'd buy the EDGE from Dawson. I wonder how many total national championships have been won with an STI platform?

To answer the thread title,..... NEITHER. Rant to follow........ "deleted rant" Let me ask, "How do you practice?" ABOUT 4 POST UP^^^^^^^^^^. NIMITZ NAILS IT PERFECTLY. I would add: If you are doing that, then practice that way also, constantly striving to do the correct things, FASTER. everything before,.... and some after NIMITZ's post, is irrelevant.

Congrats on making GM!!

Congrats Dude! GM !! I know I already told you congrats, but I couldn't resist outing you here!!

Ben doesn't post here anymore.

Glad you are back! I've shot 3 matches this year and that's about half of what I got to do last year. I will be shooting more and more,.....can't wait to squad! I have said this to others, but I'll repeat it here. You have no limits in this sport except the limits you impose on yourself. Years ago when you were dabbling in Open I use to think, "Holy shit this kid is gonna be good!" Things happened and you had to take a break, but now you are back and I am excited to see you excel. See you on the range. Edited to add: I made Master with your old Open gun. Also, in your absence a few other damn kids started practicing and shooting. They are actually pretty good now, lol. Very good really. Maybe you can shoot with them, Hahahaha.

Truth^^^^^^

I got booted from that forum posting on that thread. It wasn't hard. Then the moderator followed me here and sent me a pm trying to shame me. Very funny. I've invited her, and I'll extend the invite to any of her friends, to a forum where moderation is frowned on, she has not shown up. I imagine she is not use to shifting her paradigm and actually listening to different ideas. Oh well, her loss.

A Boy and His Dog This is a must see, "B" at best, cult classic. Don Johnson's first leading role?

I've worn a shooting jersey for years. I wouldn't go back to cotton if you paid me! Special high tech material, the kind you get in a "shooting" type jersey is awesome. I prefer TechWear, ove just about all of them. I've had them from different companies and Techwear is the best IMHO. Once you wear one, you'll never want cotton again, especially on those 90 degree humid days.

Seems to me it's better to trust your sights. Every now and then you'll make a mistake. Big deal. The vast majority of the time you'll be faster and score better. Moto nails the essence of it right here! Call the shot and move on. Don't wait, don't listen, don't look, sight lifts on target.......haul ass. Yes, occasionally you might call a bad one, leave a steel, or the called C is a D or the called D is a Mike.. Shit happens. You will be better over the long haul calling the shot and LEAVING IMMEDIATELY. And, I dare say, most times you will have a better HF, even when the called shot leaves a steel standing. You should put as much or more emphasis on MOVING QUICKLY as you do shooting quickly and accurately. You can only do this WITH CONFIDENCE when you possess the skill of SHOT CALLING. Edited to add: Get two identical target. Put one at 25 yards. Put the other right next to you. Now draw your gun and fire two normal shots on the 25 yard target. Next, pick up the target next to you and Mark exactly where those shots landed on the 25 yard target, of course, without walking down and looking at the 25 yard target. This is a pretty good little drill to learn shot calling. You can mix it up too, like starting 4 yards away from the shooting spot and haul ass to it and firing the two shots. (More realistic). With practice and a strong desire to SEE the sight lift on each shot you will get it. It helps to have a friend and take turns punching each other in the throat when you are wrong, but I digress. You get the idea.

Wait for it........ The "yes but" crowd will show up any moment. I am a proponent of MINOR OPTIC, it can only add shooters. Hope they give it a good evaluation, possible temporary try out.