rr4406pak Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I saw this picture of Daniel's rifle on the Shooting Wire: His rifle looks really long, not to mention that enormous [60 round?] magazine (Is that a Tripp Research?). It looks like it has a 20" barrel and a JP Rifle length handguard. Outside of that I can't tell. Anyone know his setup? Just curious. Thanks. PS: Congrats to him on winning the Multi-Gun Nats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) Thats way longer then a rifle lenth JP handguard but i want one like that !! Most of the AMU's stuff is custom made by the "team" of AMU gunsmiths they have to work with. Looks like they may welded a rifle and a carbine JP handguard together ?? Really, have you ever seen Horner shoot. Shhhhh dont tell anyone but I dont think he is all human. Probably a titanium endo skeleton cybordyne model T1 with real flesh on the outside. The Army is testing this new weapon on us civilian shooters because were so good. It learns as it observes. The rifle is Classified as well so stop asking about things you cant have !! Edited November 5, 2009 by P.Pres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Don't know the rifle, it was built by the AMU gunsmiths in 30 cal, but I know which tuneable comp he is useing, mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 That pic is the AMU built 30 Gremlin chambered rifle.Barrel was about 20" with a Rolling Thunder hanging on the end and it had a custom lenghtened JP handguard that seemed to be about 18" long. I got to finger bang it for a minute at A6 Multigun a month ago. Had a custom adjustable stock on it that I think Robbie Johnson designed. Mags are custom made for the Gremlin round and hold 42 rounds I think. Scope is the S&B Short Dot. The Gremlin round is made by necking up a 6.5 Grendel case. Powder to drive the 125 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip to 2625fps was a commercial variant not available to the public according to Daniel and Robbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 That thing looks like a hunk of junk! I guess if you strap a Rolling Thunder comp on any rifle it will shoot like a dream I bet those guys wouldn't win a match if they had to run the off the shelf JP, DPMS, Firebird, Triangle, etc. AR's that the rest of us poor SOB's have to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LChico Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 That thing looks like a hunk of junk! I guess if you strap a Rolling Thunder comp on any rifle it will shoot like a dream I bet those guys wouldn't win a match if they had to run the off the shelf JP, DPMS, Firebird, Triangle, etc. AR's that the rest of us poor SOB's have to shoot. I wouldn't bet the farm on that one. Last year at the IPSC World Shoot in Bali, Daniel came in 4th in the World in Production - shooting a stock pistol he'd only had for 2 weeks, and shooting under IPSC rules (and he hadn't done that in over 3 years). Basically, I think I could shoot my open gun & Daniel could shoot a slingshot, and he would still kick my butt. As I pointed out in another thread on this forum, if Daniel & Robby shot minor rifles (instead of the 'Gremlins') at the recent USPSA Multigun Nationals) the scores would have changed by 1% and the placement would not have changed at all. Glad to see the emoticon -- so I know you are not serious. Linda Chico (L-2035) Columbia SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 1 Lots and lots of talent 2 total support mechanism 3 more practice than any 5 of us regular folks Put those things together...yep they will beat you with a stick Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Being as how Jessie is an amigo of mine I can tell you Linda that his hat was covering his blinking sarcasm light. It blinks when he posts...just like mine. KurtM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Being as how Jessie is an amigo of mine I can tell you Linda that his hat was covering his blinking sarcasm light. It blinks when he posts...just like mine. KurtM Thanks for saving me Kurt. I was not kidding about the Rolling Thunder comp though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 That little punk!! I invented the super long JP handguard!! JP even called it the "Kel Gun." Just wait until I get to Ft. Benning ........ LChico, you are right about Daniel but not Robbie. The finicky Gremlin bit him on one stage costing him about 100 match points. Daniel's .223 is a JP 20 inch barrel with a S&B Short Dot with a cat tail in a Larue Mount (if I remember correctly). He used to run a Magpul Precision rifle stock but now has a new one by Design Concepts, I think. He shoots Atlanta Arms 77 grain Sierra Match King load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Just an FYI for anyone liking the long handguards with minimal weight. PRi makes a 15 1/2" carbon fiber tube. Its pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) Kelly, Daniel DOESN'T run a cat tail! and Blackhills loads the ammo! AND you are still the king of the LOOOOONG handgurad! I would help you slap him around, but I doubt either of us can run rthat fast! KurtM Edited November 5, 2009 by kurtm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako92S Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Just an FYI for anyone liking the long handguards with minimal weight. PRi makes a 15 1/2" carbon fiber tube. Its pretty sweet. DPMS has the tuber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_SC Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 What is the purpose of having a handguard that long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revopop Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 As I understand it, the further out your support hand is, the more stable the rifle's going to be, and also it gives you more real estate to rest the rifle on without pushing on the barrel and possibly affecting accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 What is the purpose of having a handguard that long? It streamlines the rifle and allows you to prop the handguard onto props that you might not be able to prop on with a shorter handguard. It keeps your barrrel from coming in contact with props. A barrel that contacts something else is prone to stringing in the direction of the contact. Not good. Support hand positioning also allows you to drive the gun with more authoritah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken hebert Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 And keeps you from burning your fingers on the gas block when going prone on stage 1 at RM3G..... Funny, Craig and I were just talking about this very same thing to Jim at nationals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chota Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Kelly, Daniel DOESN'T run a cat tail! and Blackhills loads the ammo! AND you are still the king of the LOOOOONG handgurad! I would help you slap him around, but I doubt either of us can run rthat fast! KurtM you cannot run that fast going downhill, (even with the momentum/inertia factor). one guy on our squad calls him 'rubber man'. i saw him leap a target while doing a reload with a pistol going across a creek at rm3g. that was pre-army days. he has only become better. i can't run a stage like he does by just thinking about it. 1chota Edited November 6, 2009 by 1chota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 What is the purpose of having a handguard that long? It's definately so that he can mount his light and laser closer to the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLG8R Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 What is the purpose of having a handguard that long? It streamlines the rifle and allows you to prop the handguard onto props that you might not be able to prop on with a shorter handguard. It keeps your barrrel from coming in contact with props. A barrel that contacts something else is prone to stringing in the direction of the contact. Not good. Support hand positioning also allows you to drive the gun with more authoritah. Also insures that the barrel and bullet have a free path to the target. I've seen several tables and barrel tops splintered multiple times before the shooter even realized what was happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_SC Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Makes sense, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Kelly, Daniel DOESN'T run a cat tail! and Blackhills loads the ammo! AND you are still the king of the LOOOOONG handgurad! I would help you slap him around, but I doubt either of us can run rthat fast! KurtM We will have to set some sort of trap for him. You are right, Black Hills loads it. I'm pretty sure (99.9%) he has some sort of rapid scope power magnification changing device thingy on that Short Dot but I've been wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 He used to, but no longer. We talked about this just before the Euro...remeber? MMMMM Aquavit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELLFISH17 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I wonder if Linda would look at the results again but instead of changing Daniel to minor and major, choose a 5th and 10th place person to see if it would have changed their position. I realize that Daniel is going to be where he's at do to his skills more than equipment but maybe for an average guy, equipment might make a bigger difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Payne Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 The Gremlin round is made by necking up a 6.5 Grendel case. Isn't that just a 7.62X39? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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