wide45 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 before the chono, he sneaks off like the reptile that he is and OILS HIS BARREL, That's a 10.6 unless he oils up before every stage. See appendix C2 item 32. Item 48. will be used by a savy chrono crew, when presented with an oily gun, and they are not convinced of intent to cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Since it was to win a side bet and not try to squeek major, I don't see it as a big deal. If he oiled up to make 1 over PF, then there's a problem. In this case he was just trying to take someones money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Was this to chrono faster or slower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Hmmm. Never heard of this. Does it really work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLL1911 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I do not see how cleaning the barrel could be considered firearm or component modification. I can't believe a RO would even consider 10.6 - this is not realistic. Oil in fact could decrease PF, as it could create a film along the barrel, decreasing the barrel diameter for a very tiny fraction of a inch. The difference more likely would be discarded since the the PF calculation is truncated to whole integer (eg. 164.99 PF becomes 164 PF). You can clean and lube your barrel as many times you want during the match, before and after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Since it was to win a side bet and not try to squeek major, I don't see it as a big deal. If he oiled up to make 1 over PF, then there's a problem. In this case he was just trying to take someones money... How do the RO's at the chrono know that he's just playing a game? I have not done much testing on a pistol, but oil that runs down a rifle barrel and into the chamber can be catastrophic and in some case even fatal. Not something I'd want to "bet" on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Since it was to win a side bet and not try to squeek major, I don't see it as a big deal. If he oiled up to make 1 over PF, then there's a problem. In this case he was just trying to take someones money... Notice I did not post it in that thread. Just trying to raise the awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) Hmmm. Never heard of this. Does it really work Actually, it does. I won't claim it's safe. I do not see how cleaning the barrel could be considered firearm or component modification. I can't believe a RO would even consider 10.6 - this is not realistic.Oil in fact could decrease PF, as it could create a film along the barrel, decreasing the barrel diameter for a very tiny fraction of a inch. The difference more likely would be discarded since the the PF calculation is truncated to whole integer (eg. 164.99 PF becomes 164 PF). You can clean and lube your barrel as many times you want during the match, before and after the match. We aren't talking about cleaning the barrel. Simply oiling the inside of the barrel for the purpose of increasing the velocity of the next few rounds. Edited June 1, 2009 by wide45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Sounds to me like some are taking an inside joke...ie: bullshit..seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Sounds to me like some are taking an inside joke...ie: bullshit..seriously. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihatepickles Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 ...unless he oils up before every stage... Cliff oils up before every stage, it isn't pretty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLL1911 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Hmmm. Never heard of this. Does it really work Actually, it does. I do not see how cleaning the barrel could be considered firearm or component modification. I can't believe a RO would even consider 10.6 - this is not realistic.Oil in fact could decrease PF, as it could create a film along the barrel, decreasing the barrel diameter for a very tiny fraction of a inch. The difference more likely would be discarded since the the PF calculation is truncated to whole integer (eg. 164.99 PF becomes 164 PF). You can clean and lube your barrel as many times you want during the match, before and after the match. We aren't talking about cleaning the barrel. Simply oiling the inside of the barrel for the purpose of increasing the velocity of the next few rounds. Same thing, part of the same process. No one can tells whether or not someone that puts oil in the barrel is not cleaning it - no RO will be able to sustain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedale Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 ...unless he oils up before every stage... Cliff oils up before every stage, it isn't pretty... Crap!!! Now I'm going to wake up screaming........again! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Hmmm. Never heard of this. Does it really work Actually, it does. I do not see how cleaning the barrel could be considered firearm or component modification. I can't believe a RO would even consider 10.6 - this is not realistic.Oil in fact could decrease PF, as it could create a film along the barrel, decreasing the barrel diameter for a very tiny fraction of a inch. The difference more likely would be discarded since the the PF calculation is truncated to whole integer (eg. 164.99 PF becomes 164 PF). You can clean and lube your barrel as many times you want during the match, before and after the match. We aren't talking about cleaning the barrel. Simply oiling the inside of the barrel for the purpose of increasing the velocity of the next few rounds. Same thing, part of the same process. No one can tells whether or not someone that puts oil in the barrel is not cleaning it - no RO will be able to sustain it. I did not say anything about proof. I said it was cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I said it was cheating. hulka.wav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Now I'm curious... How much does it really increase velocity? The Multi Club IDPA match we shot this weekend chrono'ed my old faithful 200 SWC load at 910 for the average on 3 shots. Would the oil take me from 181 PF to 182? Hmmmm. This might bear looking into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) ..oops Edited June 1, 2009 by DrawandDuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 this sounds like the old claim that you can increase velocity at the chrono by pointing the barrel upward a bit b4 shooting a round over the screens. it's all b.s. ask the chronoman...he's seen it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Hmmm. Never heard of this. Does it really work Actually, it does. I won't claim it's safe. Maybe we should intitute a check for this before chrono'ing at majors. How would we test for fresh oil in the barrel? If we pull a patched jag into the barrel and hang the gun upside down......Never mind. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Much ado about nothing ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLL1911 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I did not say anything about proof. I said it was cheating. and the shooter should be DQ under 10.6, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee King Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Hmmm. Never heard of this. Does it really work Actually, it does. I won't claim it's safe. Maybe we should intitute a check for this before chrono'ing at majors. How would we test for fresh oil in the barrel? If we pull a patched jag into the barrel and hang the gun upside down......Never mind. :) BWAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!! Now THATS funny!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 The item Rich quoted was put into the rules to specifically counter the practice of oiling the barrel prior to chrono. It's been done at Nationals, and believe me, the chrono officer does check. Here's what it says: 48. At the command of the Chrono Officer, the competitor may be required to fire up to six rounds into a designated target or spot on the berm/backstop prior to the competitor’s ammunition sample being tested through the chronograph. This is to remove any additional oil that may be there. Sad to say, chrono has had to ask a number of competitors to do this over the years. Not lately, though, which is a good thing. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LChico Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I did not say anything about proof. I said it was cheating. and the shooter should be DQ under 10.6, right? Cheating? Cliff was the only Revo GM in a field of mostly B's, C's & D's, most of whom were delighted to be put on his squad. He was going to win Revolver HOA unless he fell down & stayed down. Even after deliberately tanking 2 stages in an attempt to win a few side bets, he was 30 match points ahead at the end of the match. He was playing. The "testimony" that he oiled the barrel is anecdotal. No one knows if he was serious. Of course, it was Cliff, so the chances that he was serious are pretty slim. Without digging through 200 + chrono slips, I think his power factor was in the mid 180's. I am certain with or without additional oil in the barrel, he made major. And I'm still not convinced the oil story was not an elaborate hoax on his squad mates. Linda Chico (L-2035) 2009 SC State Match Statistician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Thanks Linda for that insight. It's agreed that someone willfully trying to beat the chrono by oiling their barrel is a major offense. However, this discussion started out as a joke in another thread, was raised here with no attempt to generalize the subject, and has gotten overly personal to the point of questioning the integrity of someone without true cause. CLOSED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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